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Hello everyone, I'm looking for some info. I posted on my Facebook about us winning the league and a friend put a crappy comment about heysel and how the club hasn't taken responsibility and done the right thing. One of the accusations was that those found guilty we're never banned from anfield and many are still season ticket holders to this day. Anyone know about this?
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Those found guilty by who ? If it's the courts then yes they should have been banned by the club for life. But I must confess never heard this story before
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People got prison sentences but I'm being told were never banned by the club. I can't find any info
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I remember it at the time, though I was fairly young, from what I remember the trouble was pretty much started by a group of Liverpool fans (hooligans) who were throwing objects and charged at a large group of Juve fans in the ground, they retreated and that's what caused a large wall in the stand to collapse as they pressed against it, crushing lots of fans. There was a trial and some Liverpool fans were convicted but most had already done their sentance when on remand. The stadium was old and in really bad condition with very poor fan segregation, so Uefa should never have held the final there, Belgian FA officials also stood trial as they sold tickets to Juve fans in the Liverpool end, which also contributed to the disaster and started allot of the trouble. There is a good right upon Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heysel_Stadium_disasterYou also have to remember that at the time football hooliganism was very bad across Europe (particularly in England), with lots of big clubs having a 'hooligan element' with teams like Leeds/West Ham/Chelsea/Man Utd well known for their travelling hooliganism, they were gangs basically, often infiltrated by the groups like the Nation Front.
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Can't edit the above as time has passed, but would like to add that there were also Juve Hooligans who were fighting with the Liverpool fans at the start, so it was not purely Liverpool fans, though niverpool fans were mostly blamed by Uefa/Beligian officials/police
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Can't edit the above as time has passed, but would like to add that there were also Juve Hooligans who were fighting with the Liverpool fans at the start, so it was not purely Liverpool fans, though niverpool fans were mostly blamed by Uefa/Beligian officials/police
initially.
From what I remember English teams got I think a 3 years ban and LFC a further 2 years, not sure if Juve got a ban as well but I think they did for fewer years. Liverpool hooligans were the ones blamed and so the English clubs. I have an Everton colleague who still blames Liverpool for not winning the cup of Champions as they were banned when they probably had the best team in Europe, they had won the cup winners cup a few days earlier and were champions or England in that year.
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Can't edit the above as time has passed, but would like to add that there were also Juve Hooligans who were fighting with the Liverpool fans at the start, so it was not purely Liverpool fans, though niverpool fans were mostly blamed by Uefa/Beligian officials/police
initially.
From what I remember English teams got I think a 3 years ban and LFC a further 2 years, not sure if Juve got a ban as well but I think they did for fewer years. Liverpool hooligans were the ones blamed and so the English clubs. I have an Everton colleague who still blames Liverpool for not winning the cup of Champions as they were banned when they probably had the best team in Europe, they had won the cup winners cup a few days earlier and were champions or England in that year. Just after Heysel Thatcher told the FA to withdraw English clubs from Uefa competitions. Uefa then banned English clubs for "an indeterminate period of time", with Liverpool being provisionally subject to a further three years suspension as well. English clubs returned to Uefa competitions season 1990/91, so English clubs server a 5 year ban, UEFA's Executive Committee voted to allow Liverpool back into European competition from the 1991–92 season onward, a year later than their compatriots. As far as I know, Juventus never got a ban, it was never mentioned, so Presume not. Infact, Juve got knocked out of the European Cup in the QF in March 86 against Barca, so they could not have been banned. Liverpool Fans took most of the blame for Heysel, looking at the facts, there were lots of contributing factors and I have seen a few comments from rival fans that they had experienced close disasters at European stadiums, due to the state of stadiums/organisation/police, English fans were treated very confrontational as they had previously rioted and caused problems (a reputation allot deserved). Your Everton friend is correct, they had an excellent team and could have the European Cup.
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Can't edit the above as time has passed, but would like to add that there were also Juve Hooligans who were fighting with the Liverpool fans at the start, so it was not purely Liverpool fans, though niverpool fans were mostly blamed by Uefa/Beligian officials/police
initially.
From what I remember English teams got I think a 3 years ban and LFC a further 2 years, not sure if Juve got a ban as well but I think they did for fewer years. Liverpool hooligans were the ones blamed and so the English clubs. I have an Everton colleague who still blames Liverpool for not winning the cup of Champions as they were banned when they probably had the best team in Europe, they had won the cup winners cup a few days earlier and were champions or England in that year. Just after Heysel Thatcher told the FA to withdraw English clubs from Uefa competitions. Uefa then banned English clubs for "an indeterminate period of time", with Liverpool being provisionally subject to a further three years suspension as well. English clubs returned to Uefa competitions season 1990/91, so English clubs server a 5 year ban, UEFA's Executive Committee voted to allow Liverpool back into European competition from the 1991–92 season onward, a year later than their compatriots. As far as I know, Juventus never got a ban, it was never mentioned, so Presume not. Infact, Juve got knocked out of the European Cup in the QF in March 86 against Barca, so they could not have been banned. Liverpool Fans took most of the blame for Heysel, looking at the facts, there were lots of contributing factors and I have seen a few comments from rival fans that they had experienced close disasters at European stadiums, due to the state of stadiums/organisation/police, English fans were treated very confrontational as they had previously rioted and caused problems (a reputation allot deserved). Your Everton friend is correct, they had an excellent team and could have the European Cup. But hooliganism ended up helping the league well when ticket prices were increased significantly to prevent hooligans coming to the stadium, giving clubs more money to buy players.
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It also stopped many people of lower means from watching the sport they loved and had basically created. All the top England clubs came from working-class roots. I grew up in the era of hooliganism most fans were not hooligans.
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Can't edit the above as time has passed, but would like to add that there were also Juve Hooligans who were fighting with the Liverpool fans at the start, so it was not purely Liverpool fans, though niverpool fans were mostly blamed by Uefa/Beligian officials/police
initially.
From what I remember English teams got I think a 3 years ban and LFC a further 2 years, not sure if Juve got a ban as well but I think they did for fewer years. Liverpool hooligans were the ones blamed and so the English clubs. I have an Everton colleague who still blames Liverpool for not winning the cup of Champions as they were banned when they probably had the best team in Europe, they had won the cup winners cup a few days earlier and were champions or England in that year. Just after Heysel Thatcher told the FA to withdraw English clubs from Uefa competitions. Uefa then banned English clubs for "an indeterminate period of time", with Liverpool being provisionally subject to a further three years suspension as well. English clubs returned to Uefa competitions season 1990/91, so English clubs server a 5 year ban, UEFA's Executive Committee voted to allow Liverpool back into European competition from the 1991–92 season onward, a year later than their compatriots. As far as I know, Juventus never got a ban, it was never mentioned, so Presume not. Infact, Juve got knocked out of the European Cup in the QF in March 86 against Barca, so they could not have been banned. Liverpool Fans took most of the blame for Heysel, looking at the facts, there were lots of contributing factors and I have seen a few comments from rival fans that they had experienced close disasters at European stadiums, due to the state of stadiums/organisation/police, English fans were treated very confrontational as they had previously rioted and caused problems (a reputation allot deserved). Your Everton friend is correct, they had an excellent team and could have the European Cup. But hooliganism ended up helping the league well when ticket prices were increased significantly to prevent hooligans coming to the stadium, giving clubs more money to buy players. The 1990 World Cup was a huge success and raised interest, also the PL started a few years after, so lots more fans got to watch football on TV who had stopped/given up going to stadiums, there was very little live football on TV in the 80's. Football stadiums were also improved, with better security/CCTV, so they could control crowds better and target anyone causing trouble. Ticket prices rising also stopped allot of trouble causers as you say, that's why the likes of Arsenal got allot of stick for their 'casual fans' and targeting tourists to attend games, the Fast show had a funny character on this - Roger Nouveau
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