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It was widely reported Hazard went for £130 million, the point is they presumably have transfer money, and have Abramovick
h to underwrite them if needed, if someone would have come in and bought Wilson, Origi or Grujic for £40+ million, I am guessing we would have bought Werner for £50 million as we had the transfer money available.
The club is preparing for an unknown future, as are all clubs, so having capital and cashflow available is important for the future of the club to deal with their commitments with a potential large loss of revenue, which ATM no one can accurately forecast, so I am guessing most of people running the clubs are budgeting for the worse scenario, so they can deal with whet is coming, which is basic financial management in a business.
What did they do last summer and dont tell me we didnt need a player like Werner then, we were lucky that none of our forwards got injured long term. We decided to not buy anyone, I cannot answer for Klopp & FSG, I agree we should have got someone in to cover the front 3, I am guessing the players Klopp wanted were not available, we bought Minamino in January, so maybe Klopp is happier with cover now? My concern is we maybe slipping back by not re-enforcng, we have a few key players (front 3 for a start) hitting their peak late 20's, so we need to replace them in the next few years, successful teams replace and strengthen players while they are strong. Man City didn't replace Kompany or strengthen the forward line with Aguero and David Silva getting older. Same with Fernandinho. In this Covid -19 era of is going to be much different again. We have to go with what got us this far and do it again. That could be selling squad players who won't get a game with everyone fit. Or it could be by selling a big name and bringing in 2 players with change left over.
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It was widely reported Hazard went for £130 million, the point is they presumably have transfer money, and have Abramovick
h to underwrite them if needed, if someone would have come in and bought Wilson, Origi or Grujic for £40+ million, I am guessing we would have bought Werner for £50 million as we had the transfer money available.
The club is preparing for an unknown future, as are all clubs, so having capital and cashflow available is important for the future of the club to deal with their commitments with a potential large loss of revenue, which ATM no one can accurately forecast, so I am guessing most of people running the clubs are budgeting for the worse scenario, so they can deal with whet is coming, which is basic financial management in a business.
What did they do last summer and dont tell me we didnt need a player like Werner then, we were lucky that none of our forwards got injured long term. We decided to not buy anyone, I cannot answer for Klopp & FSG, I agree we should have got someone in to cover the front 3, I am guessing the players Klopp wanted were not available, we bought Minamino in January, so maybe Klopp is happier with cover now? My concern is we maybe slipping back by not re-enforcng, we have a few key players (front 3 for a start) hitting their peak late 20's, so we need to replace them in the next few years, successful teams replace and strengthen players while they are strong. Man City didn't replace Kompany or strengthen the forward line with Aguero and David Silva getting older. Same with Fernandinho. In this Covid -19 era of is going to be much different again. We have to go with what got us this far and do it again. That could be selling squad players who won't get a game with everyone fit. Or it could be by selling a big name and bringing in 2 players with change left over. City had earmarked Laporte for Kompany's position as Mendy and Zinchenko for the left back position (Laporte played there when Kompany was in the centre) but the latter got injured long term. Otherwise they spent 140m last summer which included Rodri who will replace Fernandinho. Sane will Silva when he is back from injury. They will probably buy a forward next season https://talksport.com/football/572055/ev...ndow-2019-2020/
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If we continue like this in the transfer market I'm afraid we will find it hard to stay on top for a longer period of time.
As the front 3 get older (they are 28, 28 and 29 this year) we won't get much money for them if they are sold, so how will we find cash to replace them. It's not like replacing Origi or Brewster in the squad, which could be done for a bag of crisps. These are world class players that deliver us results week in week out.
It has now gone almost 2 years since we last bought a potential world class player, and we've heard all kinds of excuses to why we aren't signing anyone during the transfer windows. Not any value in the market. Too many bills to pay, just to name a few.
But sooner or later we will have to dip our toes, and it won't come cheap. The longer we wait the deeper the short term drop from where we are now.
The pandemic has come in and threwn a wet blanket over any long term planning for the club, but I think we will have to do something soon, to show intent. Will that have to wait until fans are allowed back into the stands?
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It was widely reported Hazard went for £130 million, the point is they presumably have transfer money, and have Abramovick
h to underwrite them if needed, if someone would have come in and bought Wilson, Origi or Grujic for £40+ million, I am guessing we would have bought Werner for £50 million as we had the transfer money available.
The club is preparing for an unknown future, as are all clubs, so having capital and cashflow available is important for the future of the club to deal with their commitments with a potential large loss of revenue, which ATM no one can accurately forecast, so I am guessing most of people running the clubs are budgeting for the worse scenario, so they can deal with whet is coming, which is basic financial management in a business.
What did they do last summer and dont tell me we didnt need a player like Werner then, we were lucky that none of our forwards got injured long term. We decided to not buy anyone, I cannot answer for Klopp & FSG, I agree we should have got someone in to cover the front 3, I am guessing the players Klopp wanted were not available, we bought Minamino in January, so maybe Klopp is happier with cover now? My concern is we maybe slipping back by not re-enforcng, we have a few key players (front 3 for a start) hitting their peak late 20's, so we need to replace them in the next few years, successful teams replace and strengthen players while they are strong. Man City didn't replace Kompany or strengthen the forward line with Aguero and David Silva getting older. Same with Fernandinho. In this Covid -19 era of is going to be much different again. We have to go with what got us this far and do it again. That could be selling squad players who won't get a game with everyone fit. Or it could be by selling a big name and bringing in 2 players with change left over. We also know City will go into the transfer market whenever they fancy as they can afford it, they will be underwritten by their owners, so I do not think they can really be compared with us, we could not afford Werner in the current market according to the club, if City wanted Werner, they would have bought him without a problem.
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well if we win the title this year and then slip back behind the other top four then at least we will have had something. This proves all along what I have been saying about our dodgy owners there is a limit to our ambition and we have sadly reached it
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well if we win the title this year and then slip back behind the other top four then at least we will have had something. This proves all along what I have been saying about our dodgy owners there is a limit to our ambition and we have sadly reached it
There limit appears to be that we run as a self sustaining business, nothing wrong with that, but it means we are relying on Klopp & his team to perform miracles like he has so far. I think this team has a few more years in it, so I can see us being very strong for the next 2 seasons unless we sell anyone, but the other clubs like Chelsea & Man Utd will close the gap on us if they make good signings, as they will throw money at it, where we will not. Klopp came from Dortmund where he lost a star player or 2 to his greatest rivals Bayern every season, so I am guessing he is just happy not to have to sell his best players every season like he did at Dortmund, he recently signed a new long term deal, so he must be happy with the setup and how he is working with FSG.
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If we are just making a temporary halt to our development when it comes to playing staff, then it's ok for me.
I mean who could have thought out that this pandemic would strike now, just as we had gone through 3 consecutive transfer windows without making any significant additions to the squad (not counting Minamino there)?
But for me we have to start moving again, as soon as we find out what this pandemic has done to our finances and where we are at.
We would in a perfect world benefit from getting rid of some fringe players in the summer, like Shaq, Lovren, Wilson and Grujic. Those should be replaced with one cb (Matip and Gomez are injury prone), one fullback who can play either flank and one forward to rotate with the regular front 3.
If we don't move this summer then it will have to be in January or the next summer, because the Afcon will probably be played next time in 2022. By then we just have to be ready to support the absense of both Mané and Salah!
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If we are just making a temporary halt to our development when it comes to playing staff, then it's ok for me.
I mean who could have thought out that this pandemic would strike now, just as we had gone through 3 consecutive transfer windows without making any significant additions to the squad (not counting Minamino there)?
But for me we have to start moving again, as soon as we find out what this pandemic has done to our finances and where we are at.
We would in a perfect world benefit from getting rid of some fringe players in the summer, like Shaq, Lovren, Wilson and Grujic. Those should be replaced with one cb (Matip and Gomez are injury prone), one fullback who can play either flank and one forward to rotate with the regular front 3.
If we don't move this summer then it will have to be in January or the next summer, because the Afcon will probably be played next time in 2022. By then we just have to be ready to support the absense of both Mané and Salah! Is the Afcon not in Jan 2021, has it been postponed already?
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It's being discussed to either postpone it until late in 2021/early in 2022 or even until the summer of 2022.
Not many championships of international status will be played in any sport during the upcoming year it seems.
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It's being discussed to either postpone it until late in 2021/early in 2022 or even until the summer of 2022.
Not many championships of international status will be played in any sport during the upcoming year it seems.
It is going to be difficult to scheduled all these tournaments, I think they moved it to Jan 2021 originally due to the heat in Africa in July/August, logical time would be to stage it the same time as the Euro's in summer 2021, but the heat would be a problem still.
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