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Ok have changed the link, but the info is similar

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-rea...ast-five-years/

I agree that we need to be self sustaining, though I would have preferred some help from shareholders. However, getting 30% reimbursement of loan over 2 years for capital project is not far to stealing for me.

As I explained earlier, raising capital which was loaned by FSG in the same manner as Spurs are doing for their stadium would have cost us less than 10m over 2 years instead of 30m. Paying not more than 5m a year for the new main stand would have allowed us to buy the one player everybody said we needed (after selling Origi) last season.

I saw Werner for the first time today he looks good and would fit our system well are we not buying him now though heard he was going to Chelsea

No cash flow we need to reimburse the shareholder loan quickly

I knew it ! the bloody cheapskate owners again

So Werner deal is done for Chelsea, interesting article here, some big numbers, £12 million fee to his agent and £175K a week !!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52970103

I still think he is a good player, but Chelsea need him more than us, so I guess that's why they are willing to pay that money.

Pressure will be on Lampard to get them CL next season.

12m on top of his release clause? And we don't even pay Mane that money in wages and he is one of the top players at the club. You can talk all you like about the owners but that is a package north of 100m on an unproven player in the premier league. I would rather we take that risk on a top player and in a position we need like midfield.

Not sure why the agent is paid that much unless Chelsea promised him 12m if he could convince Werner to join them after that we decided not to pay the release clause. For the wages, I understand LFC players earn a big part on variables, this is why we are apparently second in total only to United, a little bit above even City

I think allot of LFC pay has incentive's based on performance, which is how it should be, the better they do and win trophies, the more the club earns in TV revenue/sponsorship/prize money, so the players get more money from this, if they do not perform and win trophies, they do not get the bonuses and the club has a smaller payroll. This is where Man Utd have gone badly wrong, paying huge pay without incentives, so players like Sanchez & Pogba get huge pay without needing to do anything..

£12 million for an agent is crazy money, it's not like he has done much, the player want's the move, the club want the player, deal done, I guess this was part of the new contract he signed with RB last year, where the agent gets part of the transfer fee.

Seems to me Chelsea are desperate to bring in a decent forward, so they have paid whatever was demanded. I can see why Klopp & FSG had doubts over the package, all seems allot more than he been talked about for the last few months.

The post mortem on this another main/priority transfer target gone sour. Klopp must be raging that a player he had made "a must" have for a number of years, didn't materialize.

There's a dejavu feel here where we had always been "the bridesmaid and Never The Bride". Low balling and making our interest known for sometime, ultimately leaving us with egg on our face. It was a familiar routine feeling as a Liverpool fan, that we thought had changed with the acquisitions of Van Dijk and Alisson.

It was not so long ago under our current Owners, where we'd wave Ian Ayre off with excited trepidation on what seemed a slow boat to China, to such far fetched places as Ukraine for Konoyplanka or Shakhtar's training base in Florida for the next wonderkid in Teixeira etc...etc... for Ayre to turn up months later with tanlines, sombrero, maracas, having used up all his glass bartering beads, but with "No" Konoyplankas or Teixeiras!

I get the feeling there was an over confidence to getting a deal done for Werner, at whatever price Liverpool's hierarchy felt.
The ChiComm pandemic being used as an excuse is poor, considering the credit Klopp and the team had already banked for the Owners.

They had invaluable experience to know Leipzig (who are bank rolled by the BIG BRAND Red Bull) where never going to budge on the price set for Werner. Our ridiculous pursuit of Naby Keita and Leipzig's business model is known to buy low and cultivate and sell at the price they set, pandemic or no pandemic.

Our hierarchy's inability here is compounded by the fact with no football for 3 months and a much smaller world with such technological advances in telecommunications, there was no need for in-person, face to face sit down talks, they had all the tools at their disposal to get this deal over the line. Their low-balling / stalling, emboldened Chelsea to nip in and get Werner under their noses. For 2 1/2 months at least, we where Werner's wet dream...Chelsea where knowhere to be seen or even on Werner's radar, so the money issue was purely the transfer fee!

We paid £40m or so for Alex Oxlaide-Chamberlain
We paid £40m or so for Mo Salah
We paid £36m or so for Mane

Surely Werner's £45m release clause was right...possibly even cheap considering what we would likely be getting? We even had the chance to get him a season earlier for £22m before Leipzig extended his contract.

There was no other reasons here other than an over confidence and greed that ultimately led to Klopp missing out on a player he rates very highly.

A BIG missed opportunity!

I dont think we would have paid the same amount to the agent as the player had already decided he wanted to come to us, in any case whatever the fee, Liverpool was well aware and interested when Klopp talked to Werner, so it cannot be that suddenly it's the agent's fee that became the stumbling block. I rather think that Chelsea promised to give 12m to the agent if the latter could convince Werner to come to Chelsea especially as CL is far from done.

Chelsea got a good deal as we were well interested at that fee. So it's not about being desperate but value for money which we apparently dont have, simple