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You take 3 players out of our team and which 3 would directly affect our results?
I'm calling Allison, Van Djik, and Mane.
Losing Henderson does not affect our team one bit, so for all your plaudits he is just the Phil Neville player in our team.
Could we upgrade him? Definitely.
If Fabinho was fit he would not even be in the team.
Should be be captain?
Not a chance in hell that should be Van Djik.
But big him up all you like, all the great teams carry average players, Hendo is our Phil Neville or Ray Parlour.
I would go further he is not in the same league as great l midfielders of the past, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, McMahon, Houghton, Whelan, Souness. At best he is at the same level as Paul Stewart or Barry Venison.
Get over this love in for the worst player in our first team.
And yes they out of all 11 players who played in the last game vs Sheff Utd, Hendo would be number 11 if they were ranked 1 to 11 and I dare anyone to argue against that. What a weird response. You are as wrong about this one as you were for your prediction for the result last night. Henderson was the man of the match. No one is carrying Henderson, he is the one shouting, organizing, carrying the ball forward, controlling the midfield, and first to every ball. He is not some hiding passenger. Here's what the manager has to say about him: “If anyone who is with us doesn’t see the quality of Jordan Henderson I can’t help him. “Is Hendo the perfect football player? No. Do I know anybody who is? No. Is he unbelievably important to us? Yes.
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You take 3 players out of our team and which 3 would directly affect our results?
I'm calling Allison, Van Djik, and Mane.
Losing Henderson does not affect our team one bit, so for all your plaudits he is just the Phil Neville player in our team.
Could we upgrade him? Definitely.
If Fabinho was fit he would not even be in the team.
Should be be captain?
Not a chance in hell that should be Van Djik.
But big him up all you like, all the great teams carry average players, Hendo is our Phil Neville or Ray Parlour.
I would go further he is not in the same league as great l midfielders of the past, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, McMahon, Houghton, Whelan, Souness. At best he is at the same level as Paul Stewart or Barry Venison.
Get over this love in for the worst player in our first team.
And yes they out of all 11 players who played in the last game vs Sheff Utd, Hendo would be number 11 if they were ranked 1 to 11 and I dare anyone to argue against that. Absolutely brilliant! I declare that the Bafta nominations list for comedy in 2020 is officially closed.
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After VVD, Alison, Salah, Mane, and Firmino, I would say Henderson has been our most important player over the past couple months.
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"I would go further he is not in the same league as great l midfielders of the past, Gerrard, Alonso, Mascherano, McMahon, Houghton, Whelan, Souness."
I don't think anyone would dispute that for most of those players with regards to individual ability but surely you can accept that every great team needs someone like Henderson. He's not just a trier as well, but a real leader, and a captain leads by example.
Again, Klopp's made him the player he is and he doesn't strike me as a manager who makes players captain because he likes them or the fans demand it.
It's tough to call how important he is in the first team but all we see is the 90 minutes, not the training, dressing room, pre-match talk etc.. There's many players I'd have over him in the first team but football's not that simple.
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We currently have a catastrophic injury list in midfield with Keita, Shaqiri, Ox and Fabinho all out. If that list had Henderson in it instead of any 2 of those we would be looking at maybe a 4 point lead and one less trophy now.
All of us have had doubts about Henderson in the past. Mainly because he is not the same style of leader that Gerrard was. But he has taken time to be an effective leader. For a long time last season we often hoped VvD would get the captaincy as he has turned the defensive unit into a monster. But the discipline the team has shown under his leadership on the pitch is frightening. We don't look like being beaten. Every trophy he lifts just spurs him on even more and he is thriving on it.
He is the heartbeat of the team and he is playing his very best for us at the time when we need him most. Too many people miss the whole picture. It's like saying Firmino is playing poorly and then he turns up in the World Club final and buries Leicester 5 days later.
Eeveryone can keep banging on about how bad
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....some of our players are but we are getting results every week because our leader on the pitch is doing the business.
City lost Kompany and with it the chance to clean up again this season. Klopp knows how important Henderson is.
I am getting on the 33/1 while I can because winning all these trophies is down to the way he is leading us through the season.
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His trophy celebration is getting stale, he needs to change it up when he lifts the next treble 
Back to Back World Champions baby!
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His trophy celebration is getting stale, he needs to change it up when he lifts the next treble I want to see it so many times that the whole world is sick of it 
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This is the best Liverpool side for decades, and he is the heart and soul of the team. He is everywhere: tireless, selfless, always showing for the ball, first in the tackle, first to track back. His passing range has always been underrated, but it has improved immensely: raking Hollywood balls along with metronome-like string pulling: he’s actually controlling the pace of our midfield. After all the dogs abuse and adversity, the injury woes and everything else, he has gone from total failure on his way to becoming one of our most decorated captains. I am proud to have Jordan Henderson as our captain, and I can’t wait to see him host that Premiere League Trophy. Henderson has improved immensely over the last couple of seasons, and it's great to see. I said it at the time, that had he not been injured in that title challenge under Rodgers, we'd have won the title that season, some here agreed, some disagreed, but I still think he'd have made the bit of difference we needed then. His unrelenting work rate combined with improving leadership, is a motivating factor in itself, never mind the contribution his passing, tackling and defensive work makes in every game he plays.
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This is the best Liverpool side for decades, and he is the heart and soul of the team. He is everywhere: tireless, selfless, always showing for the ball, first in the tackle, first to track back. His passing range has always been underrated, but it has improved immensely: raking Hollywood balls along with metronome-like string pulling: he’s actually controlling the pace of our midfield. After all the dogs abuse and adversity, the injury woes and everything else, he has gone from total failure on his way to becoming one of our most decorated captains. I am proud to have Jordan Henderson as our captain, and I can’t wait to see him host that Premiere League Trophy. Henderson has improved immensely over the last couple of seasons, and it's great to see. I said it at the time, that had he not been injured in that title challenge under Rodgers, we'd have won the title that season, some here agreed, some disagreed, but I still think he'd have made the bit of difference we needed then. His unrelenting work rate combined with improving leadership, is a motivating factor in itself, never mind the contribution his passing, tackling and defensive work makes in every game he plays. He was not injured but was suspended in that Chelsea game. Anyway Chelsea parked a plane in that game and we were too naive to attack, nobody knows if Henderson was on the pitch, Gerrard wouldn't have slipped.
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