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He doesn't work hard enough for Pep, similar to why Klopp wouldn't have him back IMO.
Klopp didn't want to sell him and kept him for 1/2 a season additional, so don't know what make you think Klopp was not happy with his effort. I think Klopp wanted to sell him when he knew what the subsequent trade off would be. He had done without him for half of that last season before he went in the January. Between Klopp and Edwards they played Barcelona perfectly. Only bettered by the 4-0 hammering on the pitch in the CL semi final. Dont know what you're talking about, in that season he left, until December Coutinho played 19 times and scored 12, yes he missed a few games at the beginning of the season because of his back injury, but he was played consistently by Klopp after that.
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I think Klopp wanted to sell him when he knew what the subsequent trade off would be. He had done without him for half of that last season before he went in the January. Between Klopp and Edwards they played Barcelona perfectly. Only bettered by the 4-0 hammering on the pitch in the CL semi final. Dont know what you're talking about, in that season he left, until December Coutinho played 19 times and scored 12, yes he missed a few games at the beginning of the season because of his back injury, but he was played consistently by Klopp after that. Klopp never signed him, he isn't what you would call a Klopp type of player, he didn't suit the pressing game well, his long shooting often frustrated Klopp as the play broke down when he missed, the players tended to over rely on Coutinho and give him the ball when they were struggling, so made us abit one dimensional and teams could stop our creativity by blocking Coutinho. Coutinho was an excellent player with ability, Klopp isn't stupid, he knows that and used him the best he could, but i'm sure when they said to Klopp we can sell him and get £140 million and you can buy who you like (VvD/Alisson etc) he would have been happy to sell Coutinho.
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Klopp never signed him, he isn't what you would call a Klopp type of player, he didn't suit the pressing game well, his long shooting often frustrated Klopp as the play broke down when he missed, the players tended to over rely on Coutinho and give him the ball when they were struggling, so made us abit one dimensional and teams could stop our creativity by blocking Coutinho.
Coutinho was an excellent player with ability, Klopp isn't stupid, he knows that and used him the best he could, but i'm sure when they said to Klopp we can sell him and get £140 million and you can buy who you like (VvD/Alisson etc) he would have been happy to sell Coutinho.
This is simplistic and incorrect. Coutinho perfectly played a role players like Goetze have for Klopp previously, and he played the best football of his career under Klopp. His relationship with the front 3 was great, and he has never looked that good before Klopp came or after Phil left for Barca. Klopp helped him add end product and grit to his excellent technique, and he was arguably our best player when he left. Klopp said as much. Our improvement happened because Alison and VVD came in and Klopp's system had time to truly set in, not because Coutinho left.
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Klopp never signed him, he isn't what you would call a Klopp type of player, he didn't suit the pressing game well, his long shooting often frustrated Klopp as the play broke down when he missed, the players tended to over rely on Coutinho and give him the ball when they were struggling, so made us abit one dimensional and teams could stop our creativity by blocking Coutinho.
Coutinho was an excellent player with ability, Klopp isn't stupid, he knows that and used him the best he could, but i'm sure when they said to Klopp we can sell him and get £140 million and you can buy who you like (VvD/Alisson etc) he would have been happy to sell Coutinho.
This is simplistic and incorrect. Coutinho perfectly played a role players like Goetze have for Klopp previously, and he played the best football of his career under Klopp. His relationship with the front 3 was great, and he has never looked that good before Klopp came or after Phil left for Barca. Klopp helped him add end product and grit to his excellent technique, and he was arguably our best player when he left. Klopp said as much. Our improvement happened because Alison and VVD came in and Klopp's system had time to truly set in, not because Coutinho left. But VvD & Alisson came in because Coutinho left, his sale funded those buys. We will never know for sure, as Klopp will not comment on players like that. I said Coutinho was excellent attacking, but Klopp wants more than that, he wants all action MF like Keita who create and defend.
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He doesn't work hard enough for Pep, similar to why Klopp wouldn't have him back IMO.
Klopp didn't want to sell him and kept him for 1/2 a season additional, so don't know what make you think Klopp was not happy with his effort. I think Klopp wanted to sell him when he knew what the subsequent trade off would be. He had done without him for half of that last season before he went in the January. Between Klopp and Edwards they played Barcelona perfectly. Only bettered by the 4-0 hammering on the pitch in the CL semi final. Dont know what you're talking about, in that season he left, until December Coutinho played 19 times and scored 12, yes he missed a few games at the beginning of the season because of his back injury, but he was played consistently by Klopp after that. Of course the back injury! The one that kept coming back if you excuse the pun. The one that didn't stop him playing for Brazil and the same one that hasn't stopped him at Barcelona either. Inadvertently Klopp and Edwards played you too Vish.
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Of course the back injury! The one that kept coming back if you excuse the pun. The one that didn't stop him playing for Brazil and the same one that hasn't stopped him at Barcelona either.
Inadvertently Klopp and Edwards played you too Vish.
Klopp played him 31 times in the league before he submitted his transfer request, then 14 times out of 19 games in the league (19 games if you add the cups mainly CL) before he was sold. He was usually benched when injured. Looks a lot for a player the manager didn't want, but you can believe what you want, some people just love to make up stories without checking the facts, but hey.
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Of course the back injury! The one that kept coming back if you excuse the pun. The one that didn't stop him playing for Brazil and the same one that hasn't stopped him at Barcelona either.
Inadvertently Klopp and Edwards played you too Vish.
Klopp played him 31 times in the league before he submitted his transfer request, then 14 times out of 19 games in the league (19 games if you add the cups mainly CL) before he was sold. He was usually benched when injured. Looks a lot for a player the manager didn't want, but you can believe what you want, some people just love to make up stories without checking the facts, but hey. What story have I made up Vish? Please tell.
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Of course the back injury! The one that kept coming back if you excuse the pun. The one that didn't stop him playing for Brazil and the same one that hasn't stopped him at Barcelona either.
Inadvertently Klopp and Edwards played you too Vish.
Klopp played him 31 times in the league before he submitted his transfer request, then 14 times out of 19 games in the league (19 games if you add the cups mainly CL) before he was sold. He was usually benched when injured. Looks a lot for a player the manager didn't want, but you can believe what you want, some people just love to make up stories without checking the facts, but hey. What story have I made up Vish? Please tell. Your words in one of your posts "He (Klopp) had done without him (Coutinho) for half of that last season before he went in the January", 31 out of 38 is not half, neither 14 out of 19.
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Of course the back injury! The one that kept coming back if you excuse the pun. The one that didn't stop him playing for Brazil and the same one that hasn't stopped him at Barcelona either.
Inadvertently Klopp and Edwards played you too Vish.
Klopp played him 31 times in the league before he submitted his transfer request, then 14 times out of 19 games in the league (19 games if you add the cups mainly CL) before he was sold. He was usually benched when injured. Looks a lot for a player the manager didn't want, but you can believe what you want, some people just love to make up stories without checking the facts, but hey. What story have I made up Vish? Please tell. Your words in one of your posts "He (Klopp) had done without him (Coutinho) for half of that last season before he went in the January", 31 out of 38 is not half, neither 14 out of 19. Vish I really don't know where you get your 31 out of 38 from. In that last season 2017/18 we played 32 games before Coutinho left. Not 38. So he did not start in 14 out of 32 games. Granted this is not half. But you suggesting he played 31 out of 38 games is a joke. Get your facts straight before calling me out!
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Some rumours about Utd moving in on Fernandes? Were we ever interested?
Back to Back World Champions baby!
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