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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The Irish government was having a perfectly amicable discussion with the Brotish government over the border. Varadkar was elected and crushed that. Now it's been confirmed if there is a border ROI will install and run the checkpoints. A hard border borought to the Irish by varadkar. Varadkar also said last week troops would be at the border (presumably Irish troops) without a shred of evidence. That was highly irresponsible but he doesn't care a future role in the EU awaits. If the good Friday agreement is breached varadkar must take responsibility


You are insane.

The border in Ireland was brought to Ireland by Britain under threat of war.

May reneged on a deal that she negotiated to ensure that there would be no hard border on the island of Ireland.

May is completely ignoring the Good Friday Agreement to appease the ERG and the DUP who were the only party in Ireland opposed to the Good Friday Agreement.

She is only interested in avoiding a split in the tory party regardless of the cost to your country and Ireland.

You have no solution to the border problem and no alternative to the Backstop Agreement so all you are left with is blaming Ireland.

The tories created the Brexit problem and it is they who must come up with solutions.







As far as I can tell, the government are trying to get a deal which will mean no hard border. The backstop is an insurance policy against a hard border that many didn’t like ad not just within the Conservative party. I would hardly say what she’s trying to do and has done is because she doesn’t want the peace process to work.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The Irish government was having a perfectly amicable discussion with the Brotish government over the border. Varadkar was elected and crushed that. Now it's been confirmed if there is a border ROI will install and run the checkpoints. A hard border borought to the Irish by varadkar. Varadkar also said last week troops would be at the border (presumably Irish troops) without a shred of evidence. That was highly irresponsible but he doesn't care a future role in the EU awaits. If the good Friday agreement is breached varadkar must take responsibility


You are insane.

The border in Ireland was brought to Ireland by Britain under threat of war.

May reneged on a deal that she negotiated to ensure that there would be no hard border on the island of Ireland.

May is completely ignoring the Good Friday Agreement to appease the ERG and the DUP who were the only party in Ireland opposed to the Good Friday Agreement.

She is only interested in avoiding a split in the tory party regardless of the cost to your country and Ireland.

You have no solution to the border problem and no alternative to the Backstop Agreement so all you are left with is blaming Ireland.

The tories created the Brexit problem and it is they who must come up with solutions.







As far as I can tell, the government are trying to get a deal which will mean no hard border. The backstop is an insurance policy against a hard border that many didn’t like ad not just within the Conservative party. I would hardly say what she’s trying to do and has done is because she doesn’t want the peace process to work.


The government had a deal which meant there would be no hard border. It was a May who negotiated it.

She has just reneged on it.

She is now putting the Good Friday Agreement at risk in order to appease the ERG and the DUP.

That is reckless in the extreme.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
May has fought and is continuing to fight (with the support of the DUP) to preserve the position of no hard border in Ireland. Varadkar has done all he can to frustrate that process and we face the real possibility of varadkars government installing a hard border in Ireland manned by Irish customs officers and if we are to believe varadkar Irish troops as well. What's his game ? He has probably been promised an EU commisoners post in future for services to the EU


You don't even know what you are talking about.

The DUP would love a hard border. Theresa would make a deal with the devil if she thought it would keep her in power and prevent a split in the Tory party.

As usual when you have no answer you resort to name calling and pathetic attempts at trying to vilify those who aren't taken in by your nonsense.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The Irish government was having a perfectly amicable discussion with the Brotish government over the border. Varadkar was elected and crushed that. Now it's been confirmed if there is a border ROI will install and run the checkpoints. A hard border borought to the Irish by varadkar. Varadkar also said last week troops would be at the border (presumably Irish troops) without a shred of evidence. That was highly irresponsible but he doesn't care a future role in the EU awaits. If the good Friday agreement is breached varadkar must take responsibility


You are insane.

The border in Ireland was brought to Ireland by Britain under threat of war.

May reneged on a deal that she negotiated to ensure that there would be no hard border on the island of Ireland.

May is completely ignoring the Good Friday Agreement to appease the ERG and the DUP who were the only party in Ireland opposed to the Good Friday Agreement.

She is only interested in avoiding a split in the tory party regardless of the cost to your country and Ireland.

You have no solution to the border problem and no alternative to the Backstop Agreement so all you are left with is blaming Ireland.

The tories created the Brexit problem and it is they who must come up with solutions.







As far as I can tell, the government are trying to get a deal which will mean no hard border. The backstop is an insurance policy against a hard border that many didn’t like ad not just within the Conservative party. I would hardly say what she’s trying to do and has done is because she doesn’t want the peace process to work.


The government had a deal which meant there would be no hard border. It was a May who negotiated it.

She has just reneged on it.

She is now putting the Good Friday Agreement at risk in order to appease the ERG and the DUP.

That is reckless in the extreme.


The backstop was one of if not the biggest reason her deal got voted down. She isn’t just trying to win over her own party but most of parliament and so has to look at the backstop and reneg on her deal. What else is she to do?

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
May has fought and is continuing to fight (with the support of the DUP) to preserve the position of no hard border in Ireland. Varadkar has done all he can to frustrate that process and we face the real possibility of varadkars government installing a hard border in Ireland manned by Irish customs officers and if we are to believe varadkar Irish troops as well. What's his game ? He has probably been promised an EU commisoners post in future for services to the EU


You don't even know what you are talking about.

The DUP would love a hard border. Theresa would make a deal with the devil if she thought it would keep her in power and prevent a split in the Tory party.

As usual when you have no answer you resort to name calling and pathetic attempts at trying to vilify those who aren't taken in by your nonsense.



Again, all party’s would do a deal with the devil to get power and what they want. Labour will vote anything down to gain power. The Scots will do the same to remain in the EU as would the Lib Dem’s. They’re all at it it’s just that you don’t like the Tory’s so round on them and not the others. They’re all as bad as each other.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
May has fought and is continuing to fight (with the support of the DUP) to preserve the position of no hard border in Ireland. Varadkar has done all he can to frustrate that process and we face the real possibility of varadkars government installing a hard border in Ireland manned by Irish customs officers and if we are to believe varadkar Irish troops as well. What's his game ? He has probably been promised an EU commisoners post in future for services to the EU


You don't even know what you are talking about.

The DUP would love a hard border. Theresa would make a deal with the devil if she thought it would keep her in power and prevent a split in the Tory party.

As usual when you have no answer you resort to name calling and pathetic attempts at trying to vilify those who aren't taken in by your nonsense.



Again, all party’s would do a deal with the devil to get power and what they want. Labour will vote anything down to gain power. The Scots will do the same to remain in the EU as would the Lib Dem’s. They’re all at it it’s just that you don’t like the Tory’s so round on them and not the others. They’re all as bad as each other.


The tories created Brexit and they negotiated the Withdrawal Agreement. If May could get her own party and the DUP to vote for it they would have a majority and it wouldn't matter what the opposition did.

That's a Tory problem, nothing the opposition can do about it if she gets her MP's and the DUP to agree to it.

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The public flogging of David Cameron would unite the country.


That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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May negotiated an agreement and had I been an MP i would have voted for it. Despite reservations. Parliment voted against it. Not Mays fault. The Labour Party would have voted against any deal purely on party political grounds. Other MP,s from other parties again would have voted for no deal with the EU at all because they want to stop us leaving the EU and never accepted the national vote and want us to vote again until we give the correct answer. Not Mays fault. Now she has no alternative but to try other options. Quite what our angry (but no solution) republican sectarian expects may to do given these circumstances we will never know not least because our friend is incapable of mental reasoning as has now been proved beyond doubt.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
May has fought and is continuing to fight (with the support of the DUP) to preserve the position of no hard border in Ireland. Varadkar has done all he can to frustrate that process and we face the real possibility of varadkars government installing a hard border in Ireland manned by Irish customs officers and if we are to believe varadkar Irish troops as well. What's his game ? He has probably been promised an EU commisoners post in future for services to the EU


You don't even know what you are talking about.

The DUP would love a hard border. Theresa would make a deal with the devil if she thought it would keep her in power and prevent a split in the Tory party.

As usual when you have no answer you resort to name calling and pathetic attempts at trying to vilify those who aren't taken in by your nonsense.



Again, all party’s would do a deal with the devil to get power and what they want. Labour will vote anything down to gain power. The Scots will do the same to remain in the EU as would the Lib Dem’s. They’re all at it it’s just that you don’t like the Tory’s so round on them and not the others. They’re all as bad as each other.


The tories created Brexit and they negotiated the Withdrawal Agreement. If May could get her own party and the DUP to vote for it they would have a majority and it wouldn't matter what the opposition did.

That's a Tory problem, nothing the opposition can do about it if she gets her MP's and the DUP to agree to it.




No one party is fully united on this so whoever was in charge would be doing the same.

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Originally Posted By lumba
The public flogging of David Cameron would unite the country.


Flog the fukking lot of them!

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