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Shaggy the trusted supplier scheme etc was rejected yes. But why ? That I don't understand because such a scheme with technology works just fine at ports like Felixstowe one port will probably pass more trade than the whole of Ireland several times over in a year from countries all over the world. Felixstowe alone is circa £80 billion. Please explain why it won't work. And 3 billion trade with the rest of the EU is peanuts as is 4 billion trade with ROI. The idea such a scheme can't work over the Irish border is simply because the EU and remain British politicians don't want it to work. The Irish border is their prime lever to keep Britain in the EU and they are not going to let it go. If I am wrong please explain how


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy the trusted supplier scheme etc was rejected yes. But why ? That I don't understand because such a scheme with technology works just fine at ports like Felixstowe one port will probably pass more trade than the whole of Ireland several times over in a year from countries all over the world. Felixstowe alone is circa £80 billion. Please explain why it won't work. And 3 billion trade with the rest of the EU is peanuts as is 4 billion trade with ROI. The idea such a scheme can't work over the Irish border is simply because the EU and remain British politicians don't want it to work. The Irish border is their prime lever to keep Britain in the EU and they are not going to let it go. If I am wrong please explain how


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy the trusted supplier scheme etc was rejected yes. But why ? That I don't understand because such a scheme with technology works just fine at ports like Felixstowe one port will probably pass more trade than the whole of Ireland several times over in a year from countries all over the world. Felixstowe alone is circa £80 billion. Please explain why it won't work. And 3 billion trade with the rest of the EU is peanuts as is 4 billion trade with ROI. The idea such a scheme can't work over the Irish border is simply because the EU and remain British politicians don't want it to work. The Irish border is their prime lever to keep Britain in the EU and they are not going to let it go. If I am wrong please explain how


So UK should just leave without a deal. What's this trusted supplier thing at Felixtowe? There are customs at the port of Felixtowe, they do checks as and when required, the technology is used to move containers and pass customs bills in advance if required.

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy the trusted supplier scheme etc was rejected yes. But why ? That I don't understand because such a scheme with technology works just fine at ports like Felixstowe one port will probably pass more trade than the whole of Ireland several times over in a year from countries all over the world. Felixstowe alone is circa £80 billion. Please explain why it won't work. And 3 billion trade with the rest of the EU is peanuts as is 4 billion trade with ROI. The idea such a scheme can't work over the Irish border is simply because the EU and remain British politicians don't want it to work. The Irish border is their prime lever to keep Britain in the EU and they are not going to let it go. If I am wrong please explain how


So UK should just leave without a deal. What's this trusted supplier thing at Felixtowe? There are customs at the port of Felixtowe, they do checks as and when required, the technology is used to move containers and pass customs bills in advance if required.


I would favour Theresa Mays as tweaked deal as I have said countless times. Not personally but pragmatically. I am no expert on the operations of International ports (and neither are you) but I have read several articles. And they are highly efficient and technology based a man with a peaked cap and clipboard went out some time ago. The managing director of next whom import all their clothes from the Far East said on question time goods pass through the port in as little as two hours.


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Shaggy the trusted supplier scheme etc was rejected yes. But why ? That I don't understand because such a scheme with technology works just fine at ports like Felixstowe one port will probably pass more trade than the whole of Ireland several times over in a year from countries all over the world. Felixstowe alone is circa £80 billion. Please explain why it won't work. And 3 billion trade with the rest of the EU is peanuts as is 4 billion trade with ROI. The idea such a scheme can't work over the Irish border is simply because the EU and remain British politicians don't want it to work. The Irish border is their prime lever to keep Britain in the EU and they are not going to let it go. If I am wrong please explain how


So UK should just leave without a deal. What's this trusted supplier thing at Felixtowe? There are customs at the port of Felixtowe, they do checks as and when required, the technology is used to move containers and pass customs bills in advance if required.


I would favour Theresa Mays as tweaked deal as I have said countless times. Not personally but pragmatically. I am no expert on the operations of International ports (and neither are you) but I have read several articles. And they are highly efficient and technology based a man with a peaked cap and clipboard went out some time ago. The managing director of next whom import all their clothes from the Far East said on question time goods pass through the port in as little as two hours.


Doesn't mean there are no customs checks and no paper works. By the way our company handles thousands of containers of garments exported to the EU including UK and we do a lot of those paper works. Maybe you don't imagine what a couple of mins of waiting time means when you have thousands of container trucks. The only way to know for real is a no deal, otherwise doubters will never stop doubting, either way.

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Vish you keep focussing on technical issues yes a slight delay can result in huge problems I realise that so I think do the politicians. But the Irish border is a political issue Theresa Mays deal and the backstop and the letters from the EU clearly imply there can be a solution. As we get to no deal the Irish prime minister (surprise surprise) said Britain could have a bi lateral deal with Ireland. So it could but why not mention that 6 months ago ? Because the EU does not want to sort it out because it's their main lever in negotiations. It will be sorted but only when the EU has either stopped brexit or wrung every concession out of Britain it can. If we had politicians across parties that act for Britain this would not happen but we don't and so this is what we get. It's also not helped that Northern Ireland has not had a government for the last two years from some squabble that escapes me.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish you keep focussing on technical issues yes a slight delay can result in huge problems I realise that so I think do the politicians. But the Irish border is a political issue Theresa Mays deal and the backstop and the letters from the EU clearly imply there can be a solution. As we get to no deal the Irish prime minister (surprise surprise) said Britain could have a bi lateral deal with Ireland. So it could but why not mention that 6 months ago ? Because the EU does not want to sort it out because it's their main lever in negotiations. It will be sorted but only when the EU has either stopped brexit or wrung every concession out of Britain it can. If we had politicians across parties that act for Britain this would not happen but we don't and so this is what we get. It's also not helped that Northern Ireland has not had a government for the last two years from some squabble that escapes me.


The squabble that escapes you is the one where the DUP have the British government (meant to be an impartial arbitratior with the Irish government) by the balls.

P.S. There is also a small squabble going on in the British parliament at the moment

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish you keep focussing on technical issues yes a slight delay can result in huge problems I realise that so I think do the politicians. But the Irish border is a political issue Theresa Mays deal and the backstop and the letters from the EU clearly imply there can be a solution. As we get to no deal the Irish prime minister (surprise surprise) said Britain could have a bi lateral deal with Ireland. So it could but why not mention that 6 months ago ? Because the EU does not want to sort it out because it's their main lever in negotiations. It will be sorted but only when the EU has either stopped brexit or wrung every concession out of Britain it can. If we had politicians across parties that act for Britain this would not happen but we don't and so this is what we get. It's also not helped that Northern Ireland has not had a government for the last two years from some squabble that escapes me.


The squabble that escapes you is the one where the DUP have the British government (meant to be an impartial arbitratior with the Irish government) by the balls.

P.S. There is also a small squabble going on in the British parliament at the moment


To be honest the EU have been quite reasonable the problem is British politicians the majority of whom don't want to deliver brexit at all. They are an utter disgrace and brexit or no brexit there is demand for change. FPTP Voting needs looking at again. Neither of our two big political parties represent the public.


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Vish you keep focussing on technical issues yes a slight delay can result in huge problems I realise that so I think do the politicians. But the Irish border is a political issue Theresa Mays deal and the backstop and the letters from the EU clearly imply there can be a solution. As we get to no deal the Irish prime minister (surprise surprise) said Britain could have a bi lateral deal with Ireland. So it could but why not mention that 6 months ago ? Because the EU does not want to sort it out because it's their main lever in negotiations. It will be sorted but only when the EU has either stopped brexit or wrung every concession out of Britain it can. If we had politicians across parties that act for Britain this would not happen but we don't and so this is what we get. It's also not helped that Northern Ireland has not had a government for the last two years from some squabble that escapes me.


The squabble that escapes you is the one where the DUP have the British government (meant to be an impartial arbitratior with the Irish government) by the balls.

P.S. There is also a small squabble going on in the British parliament at the moment


To be honest the EU have been quite reasonable the problem is British politicians the majority of whom don't want to deliver brexit at all. They are an utter disgrace and brexit or no brexit there is demand for change. FPTP Voting needs looking at again. Neither of our two big political parties represent the public.


Whilst you still have FPTP nothing is going to change. Unfortunately neither of the two main parties are going to want to change it as it suits them both at the moment.

However the real danger is the rise of extremism. a lot of people on both sides of the Brexit debate are very angry.

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The EU have the upper hand mainly because some British politicians have been actively working against Britain and helping the EU or using brexit to attain power or party politics. And they make no secret of it. I would not be surprised if brexit never happens and or we are made to vote again until we give the correct answer. I cannot stress how serious this is. Britain is a safe prosperous country. What has made it so is its democracy and the people having faith in the political system and the rule of law. If that's questioned then who knows where it will lead? You are correct shaggy to say people are angry and I don't think it's started yet. I keep hoping common sense will prevail and this is just brinkmanship and in a few weeks a deal will be agreed. But I am not confident at all


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