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But the backstop only kicks in if we can’t agree a trade deal within a certain time. Until then there won’t be a hard border between NI and ROI. As far as I can tell it’s only a no deal that would put that physical border there.

I don't even think no deal would put up a phyisical border. For starters who would put it up ? Britain ? Ireland ? The EU? donald trump ? Donald Duck ?

The Irish border trade is tiny and can easily be accommodated by trusted supplier and spot checks by the tax authorities just like happens today

The European Commission spokesman has just announced that there will be a hard border in Ireland if there is a No Deal Brexit.

Yes of course. Until there is a trade deal (which should be agreed during the transition period unless extended) there will be no border with the backstop, which is basically a customs union. I am not sure what is your point.

I don't know what's a hard or soft border, but I am talking about a border to allow customs checks

A hard border is a physical checkpoint stopping your car and a customs officer with a pencil and clipboard questioning you or searching your vehicle. That is not necessary to check customs rules and it's silly it's being put forward as a political weapon. Especially since the trade over the border (south vs north) is minuscule. Just small amounts of aggregates and farm produce.

So how would you suggest goods in a container on a truck is checked if/when it is entering the EU from UK? I've said that before but stubborn as you are you don't seem to understand, the problem is not the minuscule trade between UK and ROI but potential contraband from UK to the EU if there are no checks but trade regulations and tariffs are not aligned. Will wait for your response.

Evidence please

Shaggy the evidence is because I have read it and watched it on the zillions of articles I have read on brexit. However I did I simple search on Google (which you were obviously too lazy to do). We are looking like 4 billion which is peanuts in relation to overall trade. The main markets for both the republic and NI are mainland Britain I did not need to google to find that out anyone with half a brain knows that. You will also note it sells sod all to the rest of the EU. Vish goods containers and otherwise could be dealt with via trusted supplier schemes and self assessment and spot audits. Exactly as most trade is done. The idea we need some special method to check the trade between the republic and NI is preposterous

https://fullfact.org/europe/irish-border-trade/

In 2016, 15% of Northern Irish sales and exports beyond its own geographical borders went to the Republic of Ireland. If we discount sales to the rest of the United Kingdom—counting just ‘exports’ to foreign countries—then 35% of Northern Irish exports are to the Republic.

"You will also note it sells sod all to the rest of the EU"

N. Ireland sells £3billion worth of goods to the rest of the EU

In the event of a No Deal Brexit Britain will become a 3rd country operating under WTO rules with tariffs being applied along with customs checks and paperwork. Let's see how easy it is to export across the Irish border then. The EU have announced today that there will be a hard border in Ireland in the event of a No Deal Brexit. Unfortunately there are two sides to the Irish border.

Also at least 30,000 people travel over the border every day. That's over 10,000,000 journeys per year. How will the hard border affect us. Is that peanuts also?

As for the trusted supplier scheme and self assessment those ideas have already been blown out of the water a long time ago. If that was the solution we would already have a deal.

The idea you refuse to accept that there will be a border and the UK will no longer be a member of the EU and therefore a 3rd country is ludicrous. In the event of a No Deal Brexit everything will change utterly, pretending we can just continue as if nothing has changed is refusing to accept reality.