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Shaggy you are very confused. It has been obvious all the way through this debate you thought when leave won the 2016 referendum leave became the government. Nigel farrage became prime minister. I and others have explained the democractic process countless times but you can't grasp it. You are a lovely fellow but it's obvious the lift does not go to the top floor and I guess we need to accept that now


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy you are very confused. It has been obvious all the way through this debate you thought when leave won the 2016 referendum leave became the government. Nigel farrage became prime minister. I and others have explained the democractic process countless times but you can't grasp it. You are a lovely fellow but it's obvious the lift does not go to the top floor and I guess we need to accept that now


That's the spirit Stan, just keep ignoring reality.

If I had completely abandoned my original position I wouldn't want to discuss it either.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It is a bad deal for genuine brexiteers so what ? I don't understand what significance that is ? Mays deal is probably the best option where we are today given the politics it respects the referendum (just) and mitigates the damage from no deal. That said it probably limits us longer term. But being I would like to think a sensible person who is capable of thinking beyond binary choices it's probably the best leavers are going to get. I don't see any alternatives given the way parliment is. I asked you shaggy what you thought and your alternative ? As fully expected and predicted answer there came none, as is always the case One can conclude your thoughts are not very comprehensive. That's not an insult it's a clear observation. If that's not true then please prove us wrong


It is the Tory hard/genuine Brexiters and the Tory allies (DUP) who are blocking the government to pass the deal, no? All the mess since the beginning has been created by the Tories.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy you are very confused. It has been obvious all the way through this debate you thought when leave won the 2016 referendum leave became the government. Nigel farrage became prime minister. I and others have explained the democractic process countless times but you can't grasp it. You are a lovely fellow but it's obvious the lift does not go to the top floor and I guess we need to accept that now


That's the spirit Stan, just keep ignoring reality.

If I had completely abandoned my original position I wouldn't want to discuss it either


Mays deal respects the three red lines I have been posting for 30 months just about. No doubt you forgot them the moment you read them. Still I bet you are as happy as Larry not a care in the world


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It is a bad deal for genuine brexiteers so what ? I don't understand what significance that is ? Mays deal is probably the best option where we are today given the politics it respects the referendum (just) and mitigates the damage from no deal. That said it probably limits us longer term. But being I would like to think a sensible person who is capable of thinking beyond binary choices it's probably the best leavers are going to get. I don't see any alternatives given the way parliment is. I asked you shaggy what you thought and your alternative ? As fully expected and predicted answer there came none, as is always the case One can conclude your thoughts are not very comprehensive. That's not an insult it's a clear observation. If that's not true then please prove us wrong


It is the Tory hard/genuine Brexiters and the Tory allies (DUP) who are blocking the government to pass the deal, no? All the mess since the beginning has been created by the Tories.


Labour, Lib Dem’s, SNP are all going to reject the deal so it’s not just the Tory’s and DUP. They’re all at it for their own gain and not for the good of the country.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
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Shaggy you are very confused. It has been obvious all the way through this debate you thought when leave won the 2016 referendum leave became the government. Nigel farrage became prime minister. I and others have explained the democractic process countless times but you can't grasp it. You are a lovely fellow but it's obvious the lift does not go to the top floor and I guess we need to accept that now


That's the spirit Stan, just keep ignoring reality.

If I had completely abandoned my original position I wouldn't want to discuss it either


Mays deal respects the three red lines I have been posting for 30 months just about. No doubt you forgot them the moment you read them. Still I bet you are as happy as Larry not a care in the world


Unfortunately for you Stan I have been reading your posts.

"For the record I am not happy with the Chequers Agreement".

"Do I like the Chequers Agreement, no I don't".

"I agree with some brexiteers about the Chequers Agreement, I don't like it myself".

"Chequers is probably the least worst path".

"I would rather we went WTO or Canada".

"No deal is looking likely and I would be happy with that".

"My personal wish is we get no deal".

Over to you Stan.......................

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My ideal would be WTO but given the politics that's not likely. I am not jumping for joy over Mays deal but given the political situation I think that is the least worst option. I seem to remember telling you that before but what a surprise you never grasped it. Your mind seems to work in binary terms a bit like my cat


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
My ideal would be WTO but given the politics that's not likely. I am not jumping for joy over Mays deal but given the political situation I think that is the least worst option. I seem to remember telling you that before but what a surprise you never grasped it. Your mind seems to work in binary terms a bit like my cat


My work is done.

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Putin's isn't

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46630723

go Vlad, big democracy supporter him, just don't be critical or he will have u shot

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Will be interesting to see how his next political opponent gets on if he respects democracy so much.

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