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Surely that’s what happens in a egotiation? You start out with your ideal and then both meet in the middle. I’m sure that was May’s plan as it would’ve been the EU’s. Trouble is it takes compromise on both sides and that’s where our MP’s are failing.

Shaggy tells all that's wrong. When you ask him what he would do in its place you can almost feel the panic. He then asks another question to deflect. I am sure he is a lovely bloke but debating is not his forte. As for myself at the outset yes I would have rejected Mays deal. But when you examine it (and I have bothered to read it) there is a lot to like. Yes there are issues but to gain agreement you have to compromise and concede points. We are out of the single market, customs union and ECJ, by the skin of our teeth and subject to x and y. Hopefully May can get some form of legal wording over exiting the backstop and our MP,s vote for the deal and we can move on. The alternatives are no deal and another referendum and we start the process all over again. The fanatIc remainers want the latter I don't believe the general public does.

I think the majority now just want to see the back of it one way or another. Another vote of any kind would just be too painful.

What about the fanatic Brexiters, what do they want?

All you have now Stan is insults.

The problem you have with me asking questions is that you cannot answer them. You have never produced a brexiteers plan for the UK after they leave the EU. Never. Now you are championing a Brexit plan that has been dismissed and ridiculed by all those who campaigned for Brexit. So Farage, Johnson JRM, The ERG and the DUP are all wrong and you are right.

You have moved from No a No Deal Brexit to Brexit in Name only.

Any Brexit will do you now, even one that isn't really Brexit.

Like many brexiteers you are valiantly trying to turn what is a pathetic deal for genuine brexiteers into a glorious victory.

"We are out of the customs union, the single market and the ECJ by the skin of our teeth and subject to X and Y". Oh dear

"Hopefully May can get some form of legal wording over exiting the backstop". Oh dear

As I said this is a great deal for N. Ireland but a disastrous deal for genuine brexiteers.

It is a bad deal for genuine brexiteers so what ? I don't understand what significance that is ? Mays deal is probably the best option where we are today given the politics it respects the referendum (just) and mitigates the damage from no deal. That said it probably limits us longer term. But being I would like to think a sensible person who is capable of thinking beyond binary choices it's probably the best leavers are going to get. I don't see any alternatives given the way parliment is. I asked you shaggy what you thought and your alternative ? As fully expected and predicted answer there came none, as is always the case One can conclude your thoughts are not very comprehensive. That's not an insult it's a clear observation. If that's not true then please prove us wrong

And again Stan I will remind you that your side won so it is up to you to show us our wonderful new future when we exit the EU.

No it isn't the majority of voters voted to leave the EU. It's the duty of parlument to implement that decision and the duty of future governments to manage the country and for British industry and commerce to be successful. The fact you think it's the duty of mythical brexiteers shows the intellect of a 12 year old

certainly mythical now...all done a runner

Mythical brexiteers. Oh dear

I know you must be embarrassed that you have now totally abandoned the idea of leave means leave but pretending that brexiteers are mythical is a new one.

So the ERG and the DUP are mythical? They are both represented in parliament and I'm pretty sure they are brexiteers.

Those brexiteers who sold Brexit to the electorate abandoned ship in double quick time after they won the vote and left the negotiations to the remainer Theresa May. Now that is leadership.

When it comes to Brexit you have moved the goalposts so far that you now completely disagree with those who delivered Brexit. A man of conviction.

You are presently supporting a deal that you yourself admit depends on hypothetical future assurances and guarantees from the EU, particularly in relation to the backstop.
This is despite the fact that the EU has clearly stated that the backstop is non negotiable.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

Still I sincerely hope May gets her deal through as we in N. Ireland are the only people who will definitely benefit from it.