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Pickles #614781 13/12/18 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted By Pickles
I don't know Vish!

Never has the World been as small in getting information, watching GoalKeepers in the furthest points of the globe with most leagues televised and stats for those Keepers at the touch of a finger.

Achterberg can be the most hardworking person around Anfield and Melwood. He can be an absolute wiz in getting his UEFA Coaching badge, he can a wonderful person to speak to... but when it comes down to it, experience and with it success comes with having the ability to excel in your chosen field. Could it be Achterberg is just a sh*tty Coach and doesn't have the foundation to become any better?



Here’s a thought. Way out there I know. But could it be that what he’s had to coach has been shitte and at the only level they would ever reach?

wilkij1975 #614783 13/12/18 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Pickles
I don't know Vish!

Never has the World been as small in getting information, watching GoalKeepers in the furthest points of the globe with most leagues televised and stats for those Keepers at the touch of a finger.

Achterberg can be the most hardworking person around Anfield and Melwood. He can be an absolute wiz in getting his UEFA Coaching badge, he can a wonderful person to speak to... but when it comes down to it, experience and with it success comes with having the ability to excel in your chosen field. Could it be Achterberg is just a sh*tty Coach and doesn't have the foundation to become any better?



Here’s a thought. Way out there I know. But could it be that what he’s had to coach has been shitte and at the only level they would ever reach?


I think it's an admirable stance to not point fingers and get behind The Club as a collective, however we are trying to be the best again.

It's been 7 years since we last won any silverware and we have had many employees of Liverpool FC come in and out the door in that time. We are striving to make each position filled, better than the last. We are ultimately separating the wheat from the chaff and the facts are overwhelming that Achterberg is chaff!

I'll make this point again:

The facts are Achterberg has had a hand in giving his judgement and Coaching 7 GoalKeepers before we got Alisson in. It's been his job to identify Keepers he can work with and improve, no matter what the price tag has been or where they came from. Not 1 of those Keepers has improved in his time with us!

paul66 #614784 13/12/18 02:19 PM
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Just answer the question. It’s a simple one. We’re any of the keepers good enough?

paul66 #614808 13/12/18 11:27 PM
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Jones improved massively, Doni never played, and Reina was a separate issue.

He improved Mignolet from a bottom of the table standard keeper to a mid-table to top 4 keeper. 2016-17 was the best season of his career. Mignolet would start for a Fiorentina, Inter, Monaco, etc. That is a fair step up from Sunderland.

And Karius looked like he had improved massively before a freakishly calamitous performance.

Alison has been great.

This bizarre agenda you have against our goalkeeping coach is very odd. It's also hilarious to me that you think you somehow know better than the club or Klopp about this. Klopp has coached at the very highest level here and in Germany, and he's brought over plenty of backroom talent in positions he saw as necessary. He even poached the highly regarded physio from Bayern, if I recall, replacing our old hat.

If Klopp didn't think Achtenberg was up to standard, he would be out, and FSG are giving him the backing to change what he wants. And until he leaves, we should assume that he is doing his job to Klopp's satisfaction.

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paul66 #614816 14/12/18 09:47 PM
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There is plenty of folks out there who've highlighted Achterberg's inabilities, the facts are glaring.

Pickles #614818 15/12/18 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted By Pickles
There is plenty of folks out there who've highlighted Achterberg's inabilities, the facts are glaring.


Who are those "folks". How come Klopp hasn't seen it yet? Or maybe, as someone put it here, Klopp has asked Alisson to do exactly the opposite of what Achterberg is saying.

Pickles #614821 15/12/18 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted By Pickles
There is plenty of folks out there who've highlighted Achterberg's inabilities, the facts are glaring.


You still not answering the question I see. Speaks volumes.

paul66 #614852 16/12/18 05:35 PM
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That mistake was achterbergs fault

Mr Bojangles #614855 16/12/18 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted By Mr Bojangles
That mistake was achterbergs fault


Yeah, starting to work his coaching magic lol

paul66 #614856 16/12/18 10:17 PM
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Was just thinking the same! laugh

Apparently Alisson now has the same amount of errors leading to a goal as both Mignolet and Karius had together for the full last season! Take that in and then let me know what your thoughts are! grin

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