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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Not one for links but its probably correct its not excatly a secret a deal is close. Getting it through parliment is the big test. Hard to comment without seeing it. Its going to have to be very bad for them to reject it.


Hopefully common sense will prevail on all sides.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Not one for links but its probably correct its not excatly a secret a deal is close. Getting it through parliment is the big test. Hard to comment without seeing it. Its going to have to be very bad for them to reject it.


Hopefully common sense will prevail on all sides.


We can but hope. I am sure we are all sick to the back teeth of thinking about it. Simply get the best deal we can and move on.


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Not one for links but its probably correct its not excatly a secret a deal is close. Getting it through parliment is the big test. Hard to comment without seeing it. Its going to have to be very bad for them to reject it.


Hopefully common sense will prevail on all sides.


We can but hope. I am sure we are all sick to the back teeth of thinking about it. Simply get the best deal we can and move on.


Yeah exactly Stan. Time for the point scoring and posturing to end.

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Yes I am bored with it now shaggy

Emergency cabinet meeting called for tommorow


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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Not one for links but its probably correct its not excatly a secret a deal is close. Getting it through parliment is the big test. Hard to comment without seeing it. Its going to have to be very bad for them to reject it.


Hopefully common sense will prevail on all sides.


We can but hope. I am sure we are all sick to the back teeth of thinking about it. Simply get the best deal we can and move on.


Yeah exactly Stan. Time for the point scoring and posturing to end.


Good luck with that and our politicians!

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Looks like the soap is not over yet, even if the cabinet agrees to the deal. ERG are apparently very unhappy and Bojo is trying everything to get attention. I do wish that your cabinet agrees and hopefully then Labour votes the deal as it looks like a customs union, something they wanted themselves. That would probably split the Tories, but hey, economy first, right?

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Yeah the knives are out already. I just saw one MP interviewed live saying that the deal is worse than Chequers. When asked if he’s seen the draft he said no! How the fukk does he know it’s worse!? He couldn’t answer that.

Unfortunately they will still play politics with this. It’s not about what’s best for the country with this lot, any of them, just about what’s good for them. If this all falls on it’s arse and she resigns or goes somehow, there’ll be no time for a deal to be done and we’ll crash out without a deal.

I won’t oretend to know what the deal is and whether it’s good for us but anything has to be better than a no deal hasn’t it? We just now have to hope that there’s enough politicians with at least s shred of integrity and decency to make sure this country doesn’t go under.

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From the rumours we are hearing (they are always true with these political things) the thing I can't accept is Britain cannot unilaterally exit the customs union that is a step too far for me. However the alternative is ? No deal ? Another referendum ? Another two years of arguing ? I don't know. This deal will result in Britain legally leaving the EU in march. So I am not happy but pragmatic and I cannot say what the alternative should be. My gut feel after about six weeks of fuss parliment will narrowly approve the deal. Politicians love pantomime it asserts how important they all are. Whatever you think of Theresa May you cannot fault her dedication and determination lesser politicians would have packed in 12 months ago. As for the general British political class I have nothing but contempt for them


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
From the rumours we are hearing (they are always true with these political things) the thing I can't accept is Britain cannot unilaterally exit the customs union that is a step too far for me. However the alternative is ? No deal ? Another referendum ? Another two years of arguing ? I don't know. This deal will result in Britain legally leaving the EU in march. So I am not happy but pragmatic and I cannot say what the alternative should be. My gut feel after about six weeks of fuss parliment will narrowly approve the deal. Politicians love pantomime it asserts how important they all are. Whatever you think of Theresa May you cannot fault her dedication and determination lesser politicians would have packed in 12 months ago. As for the general British political class I have nothing but contempt for them


I think both leavers and remainers can take something positive from it.
Likewise I think they can just as easily take something negative from it.
But neither side was ever going to get everything they wanted.

If this is defeated at this late stage the alternative is just too awful to contemplate.

Agree with you on May,she is a tough cookie.

You need a revolution over there Stan. Failing that, PR would be a start.

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Shaggy I did not follow the twists and turns of the good Friday agreement when it was going on. But I would like to bet both the republican and loyalist sides did not get everything they wanted in the negotiations and I bet both sides had to swallow some very difficult aspects that they were not at all comfortable with. Yet the agreement was ultimately a success. We are in the moment at the silly period where everyone is throwing up their hands in horror but there are six weeks to go before parliment vote plenty of time for things to settle down. However if cabinet rejected it this afternoon or there were resignations then we have a problem. However if it goes through cabinet despite everyone saying parliment will reject it I don't think they will. But I could be wrong

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