KopTalk.com Forums Brexit and the chequers agreement ?

Once again you are wrong. Yes the IMF and EU long term loans to Ireland as grants and financing as they do all the poorer countries in the EU they no doubt do the same with the ex soviet countries and once Albania and Macedonia join no doubt they will get long term loans. What I am talking about is the emergency in 2010 when Ireland at one point was wondering whether it could pay its police force and other key services. The EU snubbed Ireland it was left to Britain to provide an emergency loan. Britain had no obligation to do so they did because they are our near neighbours with close ties and dare I say it goodwill. You are calling me a liar out of frustration I am not always right but at least I try to understand events do research you clearly don't bother.

What's the none issue?

From a quick Google Dublin is not a deep water freight port so I assume all Far East goods destined for Ireland (north and south) come via the big English south coast ports like Felixstowe and potentially Liverpool too given its new deep water status capable of taking the Panamax boats. So a none issue unless I am missing something ?

The Northern Ireland border issue. It was barely mentioned in the debates pre the referendum and the remain campaign threw the book at reasons why we should remain, the Northern Ireland border is now the main and only issue. Did the powerful remain campaign made up of the government and almost parliment simply forget about this massive issue ? No because it wasn't a problem then and it's not a problem today. What it is, is a lever used by the EU but assisted by British politicians who want to overturn the result. If I am wrong tell me what the problem is ? A border pretty much like the one we have today is more than adequate for the tiny amount of agricultural trade that passes over. And I bet that's what the solution will be once the EU stops the thumbscrews

So they won't go to the deep water port in Cork?

They might I know nothing about cork but will huge amounts of Chinese goods to Northern Ireland ? Hard to see that Northern Ireland is almost entirely supplied by mainland Britain. There may be smuggling but it will be tiny and more than capable of being dealt with by Irish customs staff remember we are taking about next to nothing is this really worth stopping a deal between the UK and the EU ? I think not it's simply the EU,s lever.

I get your point Vish and it's good to converse with someone who has some intelligence. However although I am sure you are technically correct it does sound rather theoretical we are dealing with a contained and small market one that could easily be policed. Also if that really is the only problem I can't believe it's impossible to achieve solutions. The complexities of trade in Europe between countries that are in / out of the EU are surely infinitely more complex than that. I expect a miraculous solution within a month surprise surprise

In other significant news yesterday it looks like the plot to dethrone Theresa May has spectacularly failed. Many brexiteers want no deal and / or to get rid of Theresa May. I disagree much as I hate the chequers deal and I am very concerned over recent developments over extension and some form of customs union. Reluctantly I think chequers has the best chance of getting through parliment and getting us out in march. Whatever the deal or no deal what is critical from my perspective is we legally leave the EU in march next year now just four months away.

I am capable of expressing a concept using my own judgement rightly or wrongly

Sadly some are incapable of that

One thing I have learnt though in this exchange I have wondered, in the past, how rational people in modern times can be involved in sectarianism which to me seems a mindless pursuit. I now think I have more understanding of how this occurs. So shaggy thanks for that insight