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I don't know maybe there is something I am missing but I have asked our Irish correspondents on here and all I get back is we don't want a hard border / good Friday agreement / we don't want to fight again blah blah blah

Look at basics there are only two options hard or soft border. Hard border is out so soft border it is. We are arguing about what kind of soft border. I bet you after all this nonesense we end up with a soft border pretty much the same soft border as now. Unless there is some great problem I can't see in which case what on Earth is it ?

You have been given an answer. You don't like it so you decide it is irrelevant.

There is currently no border. If you leave without a deal you will have to have a border under WTO rules. Hence the necessity for a backstop.

Even May has now accepted that the backstop cannot be time limited. If she wasn't beholding to the DUP you would already have a deal with a backstop in place.

The border doesn't have anything to do with trade between NI and ROI but potential smuggling between UK an EU. Let me explain. Let say the EU has a 15% tariff on goods from China and UK ends up negotiating a tariff free deal with China. What traders/smugglers could do is to import Chinese goods to the UK and then move them to the EU through Ireland as there won't be a border.

So, the same goods imported directly into the EU from China would cost 15% more than what has been smuggled from the UK through Ireland. This is why if UK wants frictionless trade, there is a need to align with EU customs rule, what is called the customs union.

But this is a non issue to the hardliners lol.. the hardliners that want to destroy british manufacturing and farming industuries by flooding the uk with cheap low regulated food stuffs.. choas capitalism they want to bring, will change the uk forever and not for the better.. if i was a uk citizen one thing i would be sick to allow is a non deal brexit.."meltdown" as boris said.

u people need to fight back against this tiny clique..the trumps,farages ,putin type circles.. they will invade u with crap food, flood u with fake news and data mining crap, attack ur journo;s and make a fortune on the stock market for themselves.. stand up for reason don't be bullied into crashing ur society for these scum

Your closest allies will be them thinking its ok to use chemical weapons in the uk.

Wrong shaggy there is a border between southern and Northern Ireland it may not be physical but it exists. Both countries have different tax laws and different currencies. There is a customs border which the tax authorities on both sides police. The fact you are unaware of that is no surprise to me. There is no way a hard border will ever be installed all we are talking about is amending existing soft border arrangement or even leaving them as they are. To me that is a simple task and once all this nonsense has finished and the EU screws an extra x billion out of Britain to drag it out that what we will end up with.

[quote=Stanley Park]Wrong shaggy there is a border between southern and Northern Ireland it may not be physical but it exists. Both countries have different tax laws and different currencies. There is a customs border which the tax authorities on both sides police. The fact you are unaware of that is no surprise to me. There is no way a hard border will ever be installed all we are talking about is amending existing soft border arrangement or even leaving them as they are. To me that is a simple task and once all this nonsense has finished and the EU screws an extra x billion out of Britain to drag it out that what we will end up with. [/quot

Oh dear

I live 1.8 miles from the border. I have been over and back three times since yesterday afternoon and strangely enough I missed it. But you will know better than me from over there in Liverpool.

You do realise that currently both the UK and Ireland are part of the EU.

There is no physical border and there hasn't been for 20 years. If you leave without a deal you will have to have create a physical border to operate under WTO rules. Once you leave the EU (looking less and less likely) you will have to negotiate a backdrop Agreement to prevent a hard border.

Pretending the Irish border is a non issue doesn't make it go away. I'm amazed that negotiators on both sides haven't run with with your fanciful solution by now. It may have something' to do with the fact that it's complete nonsense.

Do keep ignoring the facts but it won't change them.

There can be a border but movement of both goods and people is frictionless because UK is in the EU, don't know what you are implying.

There are still different tax rates and different currencies between the north and the south therefore there has to be regulation of some sort at the moment. There is no reason I can see why that cant continue partcularly given there is hardly any volume of trade that passes through it. And shaggy just because you live 1.8 miles from somewhere does not make you an authority. For a short time in London I had a flat quarter of a mile from the bank of england it did not make me a international banking expert. Still waiting for a coherant point from you I reckon I will be waiting a very long time