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You all already agreed all this with the EU , the only reason nothing is happening is on the UK side. The Backstop was agreed, and is easy to fix, its only there till the uk can set up a frictionless trade which honours the good friday agreement . Now since the hardcore leavers say the border isn't a problem why not accept the already agreed backstop and just implement the no problem border in a matter of months. Problem solved.... no the reason they now don't want a backstop that they already agreed is because they know the good friday agreement and frictionless trade is a nightmare.
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Which party stops brexit is finished that's why labour are on the fence they both support and oppose brexit. Tories reluctantly support it. The majority of people want it. Never have politicians been more out of touch with the public. All the EU have to do is stonewall supported by treacherous British MP,s and I am sure this is organised. I don't agree with extending the transition but what we are seeing here is a politicians game it's theatre I don't know what will happen but my judgement says a deal will be done and at the last last minute it was always going to be the case. The people know something that the majority of the politicians don't, right? I don't know what everyone thinks but our politicians are totally out of touch with the population and have been for a very long time
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You all already agreed all this with the EU , the only reason nothing is happening is on the UK side. The Backstop was agreed, and is easy to fix, its only there till the uk can set up a frictionless trade which honours the good friday agreement . Now since the hardcore leavers say the border isn't a problem why not accept the already agreed backstop and just implement the no problem border in a matter of months. Problem solved.... no the reason they now don't want a backstop that they already agreed is because they know the good friday agreement and frictionless trade is a nightmare. As far as I understand it Northern Ireland is a tiny rural economy of that just 4% is trade with the republic. Of that the 4% is milk, farm produce and aggregates. All regular trade that is easy to regulate customs wise by self assessment and spot checks. There is a border today for customs checks that could carry on as now and even improve with new technology. HMRC have already said they have no concerns. So what on earth is the problem ?
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Exactly , so if its so easy just accept the already agreed backstop, u can prove it is easy in a month and the backstop ends...easy peasy
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Right wing Tory Brexit MP's plan to block a police requested ban on rifles they fear terrorists could use, just to undermine May.. Nice folk , really care about the country. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...ered-rifles-ban
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No answer to my question shaggy could not answer it in the past I was hoping emp would make a better attempt. Emp has some grasp of facts so we can assume I had a good point. It's a fact the trade from Northern Ireland to the republic is microscopic in relation to overall trade UK/EU yet the EU have managed to make it the prime issue and tied Britain in knots. Great negotiating tactic by the EU and it looks like May is going to agree to an extension we they can talk about this non problem some more and it will cost Britain another £10 billion.
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Here's another question which I am sure no answer will come. If we are to have a hard border who will build it and operate it ? Britain and Ireland have pledged to do neither. So the only body that will is presumably the EU ? As the conservative MP asked in the commons yesterday. Just how will the EU achieve that ? Are they going to send an EU army to fight the British and Irish armies defeat them build a wall and then withdraw? Looking forward to you not answering
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Its you who is not answering, its the UK who have already agreed a backstop..the backstop ends as soon as frictionless no border is achieved. So just do that..problem solved.
There is no point arguing that you don't need a backstop now,cause you already agreed one. You say its a non issue so just go ahead and prove it, all the backstop does is protect the good friday agreement ,which bty you signed up to honour too. Backstop already agreed, Good Friday Agreement already successfully implemented ..backstop ends as soon as the easy border solutions are in place. off u go.
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Its you who is not answering, its the UK who have already agreed a backstop..the backstop ends as soon as frictionless no border is achieved. So just do that..problem solved.
There is no point arguing that you don't need a backstop now,cause you already agreed one. You say its a non issue so just go ahead and prove it, all the backstop does is protect the good friday agreement ,which bty you signed up to honour too. Backstop already agreed, Good Friday Agreement already successfully implemented ..backstop ends as soon as the easy border solutions are in place. off u go. Self assessment and spot audits frictionless border solved. That would be more than adequate for the small amount of rural trade in other words what happens now. There is a customs border now you know. Complete none issue
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If it is such a non issue why did Arlene Foster propose breaking the good friday agreement? It is a massive issue, which is why brexit is getting nowhere.. again if it is such a non issue then the backstop which you already agreed will only last weeks.. its only there to ensure what u say is easy is implemented . So off u go, agreed already
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