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Originally Posted By EMP
Not yet anyway, they just need her there for the bad news part then the vultures like boris will swoop. Some leaders then u will have.


Agree with that. Her job is impossible and once it’s done she’ll be off I would think. Maybe not straight away but it won’t be long. Good on her for being brave enough (or stupid enough) for at least trying to carry out the will of the country and get what’s best for us all. Shame others just want to benefit from it.

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
She’s trying to keep people in line that don’t want to be kept in line. It’s not like running a company. These are people who are out for themselves and themselves only. Politicians have shown time and time again that they can’t be kept in line and I can’t remember any leader in this country that has managed this. So not really sure how it shows she’s a bad leader?


What's the main job of a leader (this is what she is, isn't t) according to you? She cannot handle them as she has no authority. She moves with the wave instead of forcing through her convictions, if she has them of course. She has a big stick if required, which is called general elections, all PMs have this and all MPs in power are afraid of this. She also has a big advantage, nobody seems to want her job.


The thing is you can’t compare her job to any normal job. As a manager or leader of a company it’s much easier to keep people in line and most workers respect their authority. MO’s are so much different. Yes she has a big stick but then who ever it’s used on is on the back benches and can still effect what happens. It’s a democracy you know? If she deselected any of them then there would be big questions to answer around that democracy.

I’m also not entirely sure why MO’s would be that concerned about a general election either? A lot of seats are safe so it would only worry the few and people like Boris wouldn’t give a crap about it as he’ll be safe as people seem to love him for some reason.


So what is she leading then? She doesn't seem to have much authority and as much as I know, it's the PM who chooses the candidates of the party in an election, isn't it? In my country it's like this, so the leader has significant leverage.

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The leader doesn’t really choose who is an MP. That’s down to the public. I could join the Tory party and stand in local elections. She’ll chose the cabinet but booting them out of that just puts them on the back benches where they can still be a pain in the arse and even harder to control. That’s the only reason Boris was given a cabinet job. I might be wrong but that’s how I think it goes and once you start getting rid of people who’re democratically elected because they cause a few problems you then start getting into the realms of dictatorships.

Her main problem is that they’re so devided I’ve this as a party. Obviously when most agree it’s easier and she’d look like a stronger leader.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
The leader doesn’t really choose who is an MP. That’s down to the public. I could join the Tory party and stand in local elections. She’ll chose the cabinet but booting them out of that just puts them on the back benches where they can still be a pain in the arse and even harder to control. That’s the only reason Boris was given a cabinet job. I might be wrong but that’s how I think it goes and once you start getting rid of people who’re democratically elected because they cause a few problems you then start getting into the realms of dictatorships.

Her main problem is that they’re so devided I’ve this as a party. Obviously when most agree it’s easier and she’d look like a stronger leader.


Hey common, I do understand democracy and as such I never said the PM chooses the MPs, what I asked was whether she was choosing the candidates to become MPs if elected by the people. In my country it's ultimately the PM who chooses the candidate though he us advised. Is it different in UK?

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Vish local members decide who stand are MP,s e.g for say Wakefield its the local conservative members in wakefield nothing at all to do with the PM. Same policy with labour. The PM chooses the cabinet though from MP,s as for being divided I have never known a british government EVER where there was not division Blairs cabinet was all over the place and the war between brown and blair was famous.


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To explain further anyone can be a member of the conservative party its £30 a year. Then in my example those people who are members in say wakefield have several candidates put forward in what are called hustings. Each candidate explains why they are best and the members vote. If the candidate gets most votes in the general public election he / she becomes the MP for wakefield


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
To explain further anyone can be a member of the conservative party its £30 a year. Then in my example those people who are members in say wakefield have several candidates put forward in what are called hustings. Each candidate explains why they are best and the members vote. If the candidate gets most votes in the general public election he / she becomes the MP for wakefield


Ok I understand, as I said, in Mauritius it at the end the party leader's ultimate choice, probably because everybody knows everybody given our size and there are only 60 candidates per party for a general election. That said, your PMs have leverage on the cabinet and therefore could have authority if well led.

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
The leader doesn’t really choose who is an MP. That’s down to the public. I could join the Tory party and stand in local elections. She’ll chose the cabinet but booting them out of that just puts them on the back benches where they can still be a pain in the arse and even harder to control. That’s the only reason Boris was given a cabinet job. I might be wrong but that’s how I think it goes and once you start getting rid of people who’re democratically elected because they cause a few problems you then start getting into the realms of dictatorships.

Her main problem is that they’re so devided I’ve this as a party. Obviously when most agree it’s easier and she’d look like a stronger leader.


Hey common, I do understand democracy and as such I never said the PM chooses the MPs, what I asked was whether she was choosing the candidates to become MPs if elected by the people. In my country it's ultimately the PM who chooses the candidate though he us advised. Is it different in UK?


Sorry I didn’t explain it that well as I wasn’t sure if I was right or not grin

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
To explain further anyone can be a member of the conservative party its £30 a year. Then in my example those people who are members in say wakefield have several candidates put forward in what are called hustings. Each candidate explains why they are best and the members vote. If the candidate gets most votes in the general public election he / she becomes the MP for wakefield


Ok I understand, as I said, in Mauritius it at the end the party leader's ultimate choice, probably because everybody knows everybody given our size and there are only 60 candidates per party for a general election. That said, your PMs have leverage on the cabinet and therefore could have authority if well led.


Like I said earlier, if she kicks anyone out of the cabinet they’re still on the back benches where they can still be a massive pain in the arse. Maybe more so as she doesn’t have them close to her. The way the Torries are at the minute I think anyone would struggle to lead them effectively.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
To explain further anyone can be a member of the conservative party its £30 a year. Then in my example those people who are members in say wakefield have several candidates put forward in what are called hustings. Each candidate explains why they are best and the members vote. If the candidate gets most votes in the general public election he / she becomes the MP for wakefield


Ok I understand, as I said, in Mauritius it at the end the party leader's ultimate choice, probably because everybody knows everybody given our size and there are only 60 candidates per party for a general election. That said, your PMs have leverage on the cabinet and therefore could have authority if well led.


Like I said earlier, if she kicks anyone out of the cabinet they’re still on the back benches where they can still be a massive pain in the arse. Maybe more so as she doesn’t have them close to her. The way the Torries are at the minute I think anyone would struggle to lead them effectively.


Deep shyte you are in, then

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