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As somebody said, football is a simple game made complicated by some, that's exactly what your government is doing regarding Brexit. In fact everything is in the EU rules which UK helped drafting. I'll try to explain. There are 3 options if you are out of the EU (Not counting no deal)

1. Be part of the customs union and free market like Norway, the least disruptive. However, this will be unacceptable by the Brexiters as you are out in name only but pay in the EU budget and accept free movement. Some remainers want that as it contains least uncertainty, therefore least risk.

2. Be part only of the customs Union as Turkey. No free movement but no borders for goods, so no hard border, therefore no borders in Ireland. I sort of understand that this is what Labour wants. You will still have to negotiate a few things like services but 2 years would have been well enough. The hard Brexiters do not want that because they think there is more to gain by negotiating trade deals with the rest of the world and it's also an ego thing as trade deals will be negotiated by the EU, with which the UK has been prospering for a few decades, but they think they can do better, just through belief.

3. A Canada type free trade deal, the most disruptive (excluding no deal of course). The problem here is mainly Ireland and companies who work within an integrated supply chain. Hard Brexiters want this but they don't care about Ireland or business, you know, the fk business statement.

The problem has been that your cabinet, let alone government or country, haven't been able to agree on any of the 3 options. So it is a bloody joke created by the Tories. I must add that Corbyn is just too socialist for me, so, unfortunately, looks like you people are fked either way. The EU has been saying they won't go out of their way to rewrite the rules because of UK, and rightly so, but May thought she could force them to, maybe she is right.

As I said, she has an impossible job of trying to keep everyone happy. But whether you like what she’s doing or not isn’t the point here. It’s whether Corbyn and his cronies should be playing politics and trying to seize power at such a crucial time in our country. For me the answer is a massive no and it just shows him and them all up for what they really are.

Why do you think Cameron called the referendum in the first place wilki?

If the party in opposition isn't trying to seize power it isn't much of an opposition.

As I said before, the job of the opposition is to seize power especially if the opponent is doing a lousy job. What should they do according to you, just disappear? You cannot even say support the government as there are different factions of the government, which one should they support?

All politicians whether they are labour or not swear an allegiance to the queen and country to act in its best interests, They do they once they take the job and swear on the bible.

It's not their duty to screw the country to suit Party interests Vish is plain wrong

Time and a place shaggy and this is neither. Democracy for them and a lot of others it seems is only good when it suits them.

If you care to read what I’ve said they should leave it until the process is done. This isn’t the time to be playing politics and it will ultimately damage the country more than brexit itself which I thought you’d be against as you seem so interested in it?

We have 6 months to get this done. How will trying forcing a general election help? How will trying to force a public vote on a deal help? How will trying to force us to stay help? None of those options will help.

What will help is for red Jezza and his cronies to help us get the best deal possible, one that will benefit the country. Unfortunately they seem more interested in their own political gain than the future of the country or the majority of their voters for that matter.

No doubt they’ll cry democracy at some point the very democracy that they’re making a mockery of.

It seems that even the whiter than white, leftie politicians are just as big a bunch of cvnts as the rest of them. Sad when our future is at stake.

Unbelievable that despite the Tory created brexit disaster labour is still being attacked.

The future of labour voters is at stake also or does that not matter.

They're being attacked for trying to get a political gain at a time when our country needs to pull together. If you can't see that and think what they're doing is right then that's your problem.

I want what is best for my country and them trying to force through a general election, a fresh referendum or whatever they plan to do to try and seize power at this time is not good for my country. Not for anyone and that includes Labour voters, most of which what they're trying to do will go against by the way. Remember those Labour voters who wanted to leave.

Like I keep saying, democracy seems to only be a good thing when it goes in some's favour.