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Well if its getting into the FIFA team makes you world class then you have to include the best players in our league at the time. Roque Santa Cruz was best striker in the league over one season and Scott Parker won player of the year so he must be in it oh and Jamie Vardy when he won the league, all would of been in FIFA team that season so all must of been world class then, Mahrez too. I said selected consistently a few times, how many times have the players you named above been selected?
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Well if its getting into the FIFA team makes you world class then you have to include the best players in our league at the time. Roque Santa Cruz was best striker in the league over one season and Scott Parker won player of the year so he must be in it oh and Jamie Vardy when he won the league, all would of been in FIFA team that season so all must of been world class then, Mahrez too. How do you remember all those log in details Evil?
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Well if its getting into the FIFA team makes you world class then you have to include the best players in our league at the time. Roque Santa Cruz was best striker in the league over one season and Scott Parker won player of the year so he must be in it oh and Jamie Vardy when he won the league, all would of been in FIFA team that season so all must of been world class then, Mahrez too. I said selected consistently a few times, how many times have the players you named above been selected? well going on what you say about players only being world class if they can get into a FIFA world eleven that would mean you would never get any central midfielders world class because nobody would ever of dislodged Xavi and Inniesta in the central positions, Messi in the wide position, Ronaldo up front, Alves at full back and Buffon in goal this probably only left about four position left for a player to be world class in. So like I say if the criteria of being world class is being able to get into the FIFA world team The likes of players some people say are world class like Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard would never of got into the midfield ahead of in the past Zidane, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho who all played in those players early career and the likes of Xavi, Inniesta and Messi would of kept them out after, Shearer would not of got in instead of Shevchenko and going back further Rush not got in instead of Butragueno this shows that a FIFA world eleven criteria is nonesense. Maybe you don't know but the FIFA best squad of the season is done every season and for that particular season. So I don't know wtf you are talking about. Gerrard has been in the squad a few times for example
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I said selected consistently a few times, how many times have the players you named above been selected?
well going on what you say about players only being world class if they can get into a FIFA world eleven that would mean you would never get any central midfielders world class because nobody would ever of dislodged Xavi and Inniesta in the central positions, Messi in the wide position, Ronaldo up front, Alves at full back and Buffon in goal this probably only left about four position left for a player to be world class in. So like I say if the criteria of being world class is being able to get into the FIFA world team The likes of players some people say are world class like Gerrard, Scholes, Lampard would never of got into the midfield ahead of in the past Zidane, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho who all played in those players early career and the likes of Xavi, Inniesta and Messi would of kept them out after, Shearer would not of got in instead of Shevchenko and going back further Rush not got in instead of Butragueno this shows that a FIFA world eleven criteria is nonesense. Maybe you don't know but the FIFA best squad of the season is done every season and for that particular season. So I don't know wtf you are talking about. Gerrard has been in the squad a few times for example so we going on squad now not team, so say for instance Gerrard, how many central midfielders you gonna have in this squad of yours so you can say Gerrard is world class, Inniesta, Xavi, Scholes, Kaka, Lampard and Nedved would get in ahead of him so that’s about players who all play Gerrard position and would probably all get in ahead of him...you sticking with your FIFA team or squad as the criteria for world class still. Gerrard competed with all of those players for years. He was at the top much longer than Kaka (one of my favorite players, but unlucky with injuries and being misused by Mourinho). He and Kaka squared off in two CL finals and each came away with a trophy. Gerrard was possibly the most complete midfielder in the modern era. Lampard may have scored more goals, but Gerrard was a better passer, a better dribbler, better tackler, and more athletic. Lampard has a fantastic record, but he was never the player to control a game or take it by the scruff of the neck. Scholes may have been a better reader of the game, and some say better passer, but Gerrard would score more goals, could tackle, could break the lines, and win matches on his own. And he was better in the air, and better at free kicks and pens than both of them. Xavi and iniesta were better playmakers, but they were completely different kinds of midfielders. Neither could score goals at Gerrard's level, and neither had the sheer athleticism, defensive presence, shot power, or adaptability. Gerrard had a footballing ability that transcended a position. All of those guys are very good at a specific role in a very specific system. Scholes and Xavi were deep lying playmakers. Lampard was a midfield goalscorer. Iniesta was a playmaker/CAM. Gerrard could do all of those things and damn well. The only other player onb that list who could do that was perhaps Kaka, but his career was cut short much sooner than Gerrard's and was not on top as long. And he still didn't have the defensive attributes and had no ability in the air. All of those players had distinct weaknesses, but the only weaknesses Gerrard had were loyalty and being stuck with mediocre players around him. Throughout his career Gerrard has played right wing, CM CAM, behind the striker, as a DM, or even as a deep lying playmaker controlling the game, and been the best player on the pitch in all of those roles. He's the kind of player you could plug into any team in almost any role, and he would slot in seamlessly. He could run, dribble, create, pass long, pass short, finish in the box, shoot from distance, take a free kick, score headers, tackle, anything but play keeper. Each of those players might do one thing better than Gerrard, maybe two. But he's better in every other category. Could any of those players have managed to win what Gerrard won playing alongside the likes of the dross Gerrard had to spend most of his career with? Because all those other players spent their careers surrounded by the best players money could by, and he still competed with them.
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Oh dear. See what you’ve done now? It’s brought the clown back with yet another username.
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I think you have touched on is what I have thought about Gerrard and his career, better than all those players mentioned in a complete sense of the word but nowhere near better than any of them in one specific position, for me he was a jack of all trades a master of none.
If you ask me when did Gerrard play his best football it was for me in 2006 the year we beat West Ham in the Cup Final, that season Gerrard played wide right of midfield and ended up footballer of the year, he was never good enough playing in the middle as Benitez pointed out after the Istanbul game.
The other point you made about him playing alongside poor or average players, again you are quite right however I look at it from the other point of view, he looked better than he was actualy because he shone more playing in a poor team, if you put Lucas in Tranmere team he would look like Zidane and Ronaldo rolled into one. Gerrard would not of stood out like he did at Liverpool if he had been brave enough to sign for Chelsea as playing alongside Drogba, Terry, Lampard and Essie etc he would of just looked another good player but not head and shoulders above everyone else like he did with us. You're salty our best player didn't leave, we know. He tormented you bluenoses, that is for sure. None of those players could win a CL with Liverpool in 2005. Not one. He won everything there is to win at the club level for us, bar the league. This jack of all trades, master of none bolx is nonsense two. He was a better player than Scholes or Lampard. They had glaring weaknesses Gerrard didn't. Scholes was a liability defensively, and couldn't tackle to save his life. Lampard couldn't carry the ball or read the game. Gerrard could do it all, and he was a better leader, better defensive player, and more clutch deliver than both of them. Any survey of neutral fans, any panel of pundits almost always picks Gerrard most. Zidane, Kaka, and Mourinho even said as much. If I had to stake my life on a match and I'm picking the midfield heartbeat of my team, I'd pick a prime Steven Gerrard first every time.
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Zidane, Pirlo, Ancelotti, and even Mourinho have all said Gerrard was the best, despite the fact that they all played against him. Strip the teams the represented away, and the individual achievements speak for themselves.
FIFA World XI Nominations
Gerrard 8
Lampard 8
Scholes 2
FIFA World XI Appearances
Gerrard 3
Lampard 1
Scholes 0
UEFA Team of the Year Appearances
Gerrard 3
Lampard 0
Scholes 0
UEFA Player of the year
Gerrard 1
Lampard 0
Scholes 0
Highest FIFA World Player of the Year Finish
Lampard 2nd – one time
Gerrard never in top 3, but very close
Scholes never in top 3
Highest Ballon D’or Finish
Lampard 2nd – one time
Gerrard 3rd – one time
Scholes never in top 3
Premier League Team of the Year Appearances
Gerrard 8
Lampard 5
Scholes 2
Premier League Player of the Month Awards
Gerrard 6
Lampard 4
Scholes 4
Premier League Young Player of the Year
Gerrard 1
Lampard 0
Scholes 0
Journalists’ and Writers’ Premier League Player of the Year
Gerrard 1
Lampard 1
Scholes 0
Players’ Premier League Player of the Year
Gerrard 1
Lampard 0
Scholes 0
Fans’ Premier League Player of the Year
Gerrard 2
Lampard 1
Scholes 0
England National Team Player of the Year
Gerrard 2
Lampard 2
Scholes 0
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament
Gerrard 1
Lampard 1
Scholes 0
FA Cup Final Man of the Match
Gerrard 1
Lampard 1
Scholes 0
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match
Gerrard 1
Lampard 1
Scholes 0
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