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no you need to check again, everyone I have looked at we are behind Arsenal in fanbase numbers, Chelsea have nearly twice as many fans as us now and United have something ridiculous like one out of every four football fans in the globe are a United fan, scary how popular they really are in the world. BTW... I'm Spartacus...I mean Spangles. Most of us knew immediately who you were, this is why we don't take your new name seriously, still a Bluenose. Did you ask before rejoining?
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Keeping the soul of the club v Success?
Football clubs have evolved beyond recognition these last 25 years with live tv and the money pouring in. Money changes most people and things. It gives the opportunity to try and change things. For clubs it can buy success or a place in history.
All clubs have sold their soul to some extent. Some far more than others.
For Liverpool the genuine fan base has been loyal and huge which the club has been able to fall back on and has contributed to appearing in 4 major European finals in the last 13 years.
Arsenal cannot match that and City never will. I fully expect of all English clubs over the next 10 to 12 years that we will appear in more European finals than other PL clubs.
Maybe we can keep the soul of the club and have success. That could create more than a ripple in the game.
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There is no way chelsea or arsenal have a bigger global fan base than lfc.
yes chelseas success made them the popular team just as it does man city..but it fades.Abramovich no longer as interested as much due tonew restraints.
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no you need to check again, everyone I have looked at we are behind Arsenal in fanbase numbers, Chelsea have nearly twice as many fans as us now and United have something ridiculous like one out of every four football fans in the globe are a United fan, scary how popular they really are in the world. BTW... I'm Spartacus...I mean Spangles. Most of us knew immediately who you were, this is why we don't take your new name seriously, still a Bluenose. Did you ask before rejoining? Of course, the weirdo didn't.
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There is no way chelsea or arsenal have a bigger global fan base than lfc.
yes chelseas success made them the popular team just as it does man city..but it fades.Abramovich no longer as interested as much due tonew restraints. i have looked on about seven or eight fanbase sites and they all have us fourth biggest fanbase behind United, Chelsea and Arsenal although Arsenal are not much bigger. Now if you are going to question what criteria that is based on then you are opening an entirely different discussion on what makes a fan and how is it registered but going back to the first point Arsenal and Chelsea do have bigger worldwide fanbases than us, I think in some ways you have backed this up when you said success fades, Chelsea have the fastest growing fanbase in world football since Abramovic took over and it's no coincidence Chelsea success started then too while our fanbase is shrinking which coincides with us no longer winning major trophies for thirty years apart from one in 2005, so your right success and popularity go hand in hand in today's modern game Do you honestly think we would have fans all over the world and especialy on here if we had not won what we did back in the 70s and 80s. You can be honest but doesn't mean you are right. It's not easy to know but there are estimates. To be the most meaningful measure is what revenue you get from commercial (retail, sponsorship etc) activities as it depends on your popularity, though it is skewed for teams owned by the likes of UAE and Qatar as they get sponsors not by merit but by relationship. For example Qatar paid for Neymar because he is apparently promoting Qatar worldwide as their ambassador. So if you go by these revenues in 16/17 United are first, then City, Chelsea, LFC an then Arsenal. We were marginally behind Chelsea and I am sure that after our last season performance which was much better than Chelsea, we should be ahead, but you could doubt than. In any case we are better than Arsenal. If you are comfortable with figures you could understand what I mean from the link below. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/06/premier-league-finances-club-guide-2016-17
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I think all I said was we are the fourth biggest fanbase in the country behind, United, Chelsea and Arsenal. I will stand by that fact it's up to people wether they want to believe what I am telling them or find out for themselves. I don't know the numbers (nor do I care) however I would bet if Liverpool are behind those clubs the difference is only marginal. If Liverpool achieve some major success in the next year or two the floating voters will soon switch over.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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I think all I said was we are the fourth biggest fanbase in the country behind, United, Chelsea and Arsenal. I will stand by that fact it's up to people wether they want to believe what I am telling them or find out for themselves. Why should anybody believe you, do you have any data to prove or only your word? But if you are talking about UK only, then maybe as London has a relatively much bigger population. However, considering only the local fan base doesn't mean much for a globally followed sport.
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Yeh complete madness,it's a problem that needs special attention .
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Don't know how else you can record figures accurately otherwise How did you record the numbers?
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I'm not against City type ownership, as SSO said, every club buys success to some degree. My point was 2-3 years ago I'd be crying out for it whereas now it looks like Klopp/FSG's patience is paying off.
We might not win the league but the squad is really healthy, the first 11 can match anyone and we haven't had to but 30 players to send on loan or spend £130m on full backs just to plug a position.
Nothing against City, sustained success has to be bought these days, but things are looking very rosy at Anfield these days, thanks in large to Klopp. I really hope he crosses the finish line this season.
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