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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
A deal will be sorted will I be happy ? Probably not

I have read every page on the chequers agreement and no it's not ideal but it's not as bad as the brexiteers claim many are making two and two equal five. The key for me is that all legislative power is in the UK governments hands and we legally leave the EU as far as I can ascertain the chequers agreement meets that just ! The Irish border might mean a lot to the people living near it but in the scale of UK and EU and world trade it's not even a rounding error I am pretty sure arrangements can be found providing there is the will and the Irish government and the EU stop playing politics with people's lives. If not then there won't be an amicable solution it's as simple as that. And yes shaggy you are right the UK has made all the concessions it's now the EU,s turn if not then we walk away.


This whole problem with the border came about because of Brexit. Trying to pass the blame onto Ireland and the EU isn't going to wash. Britain created the problem and it is up to Britain to provide a workable solution.

"We walk away"

You really should stop reading the Express Stan. You can't afford to walk away.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
A deal will be sorted will I be happy ? Probably not

I have read every page on the chequers agreement and no it's not ideal but it's not as bad as the brexiteers claim many are making two and two equal five. The key for me is that all legislative power is in the UK governments hands and we legally leave the EU as far as I can ascertain the chequers agreement meets that just ! The Irish border might mean a lot to the people living near it but in the scale of UK and EU and world trade it's not even a rounding error I am pretty sure arrangements can be found providing there is the will and the Irish government and the EU stop playing politics with people's lives. If not then there won't be an amicable solution it's as simple as that. And yes shaggy you are right the UK has made all the concessions it's now the EU,s turn if not then we walk away.


This whole problem with the border came about because of Brexit. Trying to pass the blame onto Ireland and the EU isn't going to wash. Britain created the problem and it is up to Britain to provide a workable solution.

"We walk away"

You really should stop reading the Express Stan. You can't afford to walk away.


You say we can't afford to walk away from where do you get the evidence. My view there would be some short term disruption and an economic hit but the EU would be hit worse because they have huge exports to the UK. But obviously I haven't a clue looking forward to your evidence and please don't insult me and yourself by posting a link from a left wing remain newspaper


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
A deal will be sorted will I be happy ? Probably not

I have read every page on the chequers agreement and no it's not ideal but it's not as bad as the brexiteers claim many are making two and two equal five. The key for me is that all legislative power is in the UK governments hands and we legally leave the EU as far as I can ascertain the chequers agreement meets that just ! The Irish border might mean a lot to the people living near it but in the scale of UK and EU and world trade it's not even a rounding error I am pretty sure arrangements can be found providing there is the will and the Irish government and the EU stop playing politics with people's lives. If not then there won't be an amicable solution it's as simple as that. And yes shaggy you are right the UK has made all the concessions it's now the EU,s turn if not then we walk away.


This whole problem with the border came about because of Brexit. Trying to pass the blame onto Ireland and the EU isn't going to wash. Britain created the problem and it is up to Britain to provide a workable solution.

"We walk away"

You really should stop reading the Express Stan. You can't afford to walk away.


You say we can't afford to walk away from where do you get the evidence. My view there would be some short term disruption and an economic hit but the EU would be hit worse because they have huge exports to the UK. But obviously I haven't a clue looking forward to your evidence and please don't insult me and yourself by posting a link from a left wing remain newspaper


Only 8% of EU exports goes to UK, significant yes but not huge by any means. Anyway, I don't think there won't be a trade deal like Canada for example.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
A deal will be sorted will I be happy ? Probably not

I have read every page on the chequers agreement and no it's not ideal but it's not as bad as the brexiteers claim many are making two and two equal five. The key for me is that all legislative power is in the UK governments hands and we legally leave the EU as far as I can ascertain the chequers agreement meets that just ! The Irish border might mean a lot to the people living near it but in the scale of UK and EU and world trade it's not even a rounding error I am pretty sure arrangements can be found providing there is the will and the Irish government and the EU stop playing politics with people's lives. If not then there won't be an amicable solution it's as simple as that. And yes shaggy you are right the UK has made all the concessions it's now the EU,s turn if not then we walk away.


This whole problem with the border came about because of Brexit. Trying to pass the blame onto Ireland and the EU isn't going to wash. Britain created the problem and it is up to Britain to provide a workable solution.

"We walk away"

You really should stop reading the Express Stan. You can't afford to walk away.


You say we can't afford to walk away from where do you get the evidence. My view there would be some short term disruption and an economic hit but the EU would be hit worse because they have huge exports to the UK. But obviously I haven't a clue looking forward to your evidence and please don't insult me and yourself by posting a link from a left wing remain newspaper


Jaysus your easily insulted. Of course it's OK to base your argument on an article from the right wing leave paper the Express.

But don't take my word for it. The warnings you have received from a number of huge companies including Airbus, Chubb and Rolls Royce are obviously just project fear. The Governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney is obviously also part of the grand conspiracy.

Again, ignore the warning from the iMF that Britain will take a bigger economic hit than the EU in the event of a no deal Brexit. Continue ignoring reality, whilst failing to produce a credible brexiteers plan for Britain's future once they leave the EU, That's what got the brexiteers here in the first place.

But ultimately all that won't matter because your parliament will never agree to a no deal Brexit. You know it, I know it, but most importantly the EU knows it.

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Ah well the hoped for evidence never came how surprising. The important point about no deal is that the EU know we are not bluffing and we are not hence now we are seeing the EU getting serious. Personally I hope there is no deal but I think I will be disapointed. As for our parliament refusing no deal they can't. Unless there is an agreement we automatically go out without a deal that's the act of parliament just agreed. Some wanted the power to force the government to carry on negotiating but that was rejected by parliament. The only thing they could do is force another debate in parliament and another vote to stop article 50 plus it would need all 27 EU member states to agree. Why would they do that ? The only circumstances I can see is where they need more time but that could only be on a specific situation. So in terms of real world it's deal or no deal and there is not a thing (in practice) parliament can do about it.

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Also Vish is wrong saying 8% is not significant. What you must bear in mind is that is over all states. Individual states have much bigger exposure one being germany where the UK is a huge market. Germany finances the EU and so carries a huge amount of clout. I am convinced May agreed the chequers arrangement with merkel prior to showing it her cabinet


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Also Vish is wrong saying 8% is not significant. What you must bear in mind is that is over all states. Individual states have much bigger exposure one being germany where the UK is a huge market. Germany finances the EU and so carries a huge amount of clout. I am convinced May agreed the chequers arrangement with merkel prior to showing it her cabinet


Read first, I said significant but not huge and Germany will survive. What will the BMW, Mercedes lovers buy, of course the same even if they have to pay 10% more. You think 10% will make a big difference to them. Ok they could buy Jaguar, but they will also manufacture outside the UK as the EU is a bigger market and easier to find workers. Pure logic.

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the other factor (which you won't read in the remain press) is the major EU economies (including Germany) have been downgraded. Merkel is also exposed politically just hanging onto power by her fingernails she needs a trade war with Britain like a hole in the head. Germany is the EU its the only EU economy of any power and that's not collapsing. If Germany dips the EU is finished. The truth is Britain is in a very powerful position it's just we have a weak government. And Vish speaking on behalf of Germany and what they do and don't want is laughable. I don't know what German people think as a nation and neither does Vish what I do know is they are not happy bunnies at the moment hence merkel clinging onto power

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Ah well the hoped for evidence never came how surprising. The important point about no deal is that the EU know we are not bluffing and we are not hence now we are seeing the EU getting serious. Personally I hope there is no deal but I think I will be disapointed. As for our parliament refusing no deal they can't. Unless there is an agreement we automatically go out without a deal that's the act of parliament just agreed. Some wanted the power to force the government to carry on negotiating but that was rejected by parliament. The only thing they could do is force another debate in parliament and another vote to stop article 50 plus it would need all 27 EU member states to agree. Why would they do that ? The only circumstances I can see is where they need more time but that could only be on a specific situation. So in terms of real world it's deal or no deal and there is not a thing (in practice) parliament can do about it.


You are delusional Stan. Those pesky experts at the Bank of England and the IMF obviously don't know as much as you. Ignore reality, but time is running out.

Anyone hoping for a no deal Brexit is insane. Brexit at any price would be an unforgivable act of self harm.

If May comes back with a no deal Brexit she will face a revolt in parliament that will in all likelihood unseat her and lead to a new election. She is hanging on by her fingernails as it stands. The EU will then extend Article 50 and the adults can negotiate a deal.

A no deal brexiti is an empty threat.

Still waiting for a plan going forward from any of the brexiteers. They have no bother shooting down May's remainer Chequers Agreement but have still offered no alternative.

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A no deal would cause a ruckus in parliament but I don't think you understood my post in fact you rarely understand anything not wishing to be rude but anything that's not binary you struggle with shaggy.

Parliament would have to have a majority vote to in effect stop brexit altogether assuming that was achieved every EU country would unanimously have to agree to stop article 50. That's both EU and international law.


Above is possible but That's a lot of ifs and buts and although the vote might be tight I can't see MP,s voting to stop brexit altogether especially as the current act of parliment just voted in clearly allows for no deal. As for a general election there is no way at the moment the Tories would call one because they are in turmoil may is weak and they would most likely lose it would be suicide. It's either deal or no deal there is no other alternative.


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