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And just out of interest no election is binding even general elections. The winning side in a general election is invited by the queen to form a government. In theory the queen could not invite them or refuse to let them. Do you suggest we ignore general elections in britain? Do you ignore elections in Mauritius ?


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
And just out of interest no election is binding even general elections. The winning side in a general election is invited by the queen to form a government. In theory the queen could not invite them or refuse to let them. Do you suggest we ignore general elections in britain? Do you ignore elections in Mauritius ?


A general election is not binding? Really? didn't know that, it is binding in my country. Otherwise, do you have an explanation for this article below? I am assuming it's not a lie

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45098550

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I thought your link had something sensible in it. I was wrong back to the old young and old vote rubbish why not go back to brexiteers are all swivel eyed racist bigots argument ?

Utter childish rubbish and not worth debating

Meanwhile I am reading in the press barnier is to offer no free movement exactly as I said 18 months ago loads of hot air then at the end the EU and UK will agree a deal. I thought that then and I think that now you wait and see I could be wrong but that's my gut instinct. I think some of the stuff you post Vish is intelligent and I welcome it but you let yourself down with the last few posts. And yes a British election is just a signal to the queen the queen allows a government to take office however it's just ceremonial really but in theory the queen could refuse to allow it say a nazi party won election in theory she could block it


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I thought your link had something sensible in it. I was wrong back to the old young and old vote rubbish why not go back to brexiteers are all swivel eyed racist bigots argument ?

Utter childish rubbish and not worth debating

Meanwhile I am reading in the press barnier is to offer no free movement exactly as I said 18 months ago loads of hot air then at the end the EU and UK will agree a deal. I thought that then and I think that now you wait and see I could be wrong but that's my gut instinct. I think some of the stuff you post Vish is intelligent and I welcome it but you let yourself down with the last few posts. And yes a British election is just a signal to the queen the queen allows a government to take office however it's just ceremonial really but in theory the queen could refuse to allow it say a nazi party won election in theory she could block it


What's childish, the article? If it's true the divide is only going to get worse. So you agree that free movement was the main issue of Brexiters then? In any case the EU knows you'll need to bring in workers, your businesses are crying for it, so no major change in reality.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I thought your link had something sensible in it. I was wrong back to the old young and old vote rubbish why not go back to brexiteers are all swivel eyed racist bigots argument ?

Utter childish rubbish and not worth debating

Meanwhile I am reading in the press barnier is to offer no free movement exactly as I said 18 months ago loads of hot air then at the end the EU and UK will agree a deal. I thought that then and I think that now you wait and see I could be wrong but that's my gut instinct. I think some of the stuff you post Vish is intelligent and I welcome it but you let yourself down with the last few posts. And yes a British election is just a signal to the queen the queen allows a government to take office however it's just ceremonial really but in theory the queen could refuse to allow it say a nazi party won election in theory she could block it


Now now Stan, you declined to mention that the offer of free movement is in return for further concessions from the UK.

That's the danger of cherry picking news reports. It can make even more UK concessions to the EU seem like a victory for the Brexiteers.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/...opean-union/amp

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It's obvious you guys want Britain to get a bad deal. You may get your wish. I don't know what's going on in the negotiations. Do you shaggy ? The fact the EU has offered something and wants something in return is no surprise that's what you do in negotiations. My feeling is a deal will be done and it's being worked on as we speak. What's significant in the story is the EU have blinked and offered something that breaks the EU model which was the immovable sticking point. It's now moved. Watch when the deal takes shape the Irish border to miraculously be solved overnight once it is no longer an EU bargaining chip. I might be totally wrong but let's see


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It's obvious you guys want Britain to get a bad deal. You may get your wish. I don't know what's going on in the negotiations. Do you shaggy ? The fact the EU has offered something and wants something in return is no surprise that's what you do in negotiations. My feeling is a deal will be done and it's being worked on as we speak. What's significant in the story is the EU have blinked and offered something that breaks the EU model which was the immovable sticking point. It's now moved. Watch when the deal takes shape the Irish border to miraculously be solved overnight once it is no longer an EU bargaining chip. I might be totally wrong but let's see


Of course a deal will be done Stan. Only the lunatics want a no deal Brexit. But there won't be a victory for either slde and both sides will have to give and take. The big question then is once the final deal has been agreed will Brexit have been delivered.

The UK have folded on every major point up to this point. The EU haven't blinked (that's an Express headline) they have thrown May a lifeline. The EU's biggest fear is that May is overthrown and replaced by a hardline Brexiteer.

How they solve the Irish border issue is going to be very interesting, but solve it they must.
There are very worrying reports of legislation passing through the UK parliament at the moment in relation to the Irish border.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It's obvious you guys want Britain to get a bad deal. You may get your wish. I don't know what's going on in the negotiations. Do you shaggy ? The fact the EU has offered something and wants something in return is no surprise that's what you do in negotiations. My feeling is a deal will be done and it's being worked on as we speak. What's significant in the story is the EU have blinked and offered something that breaks the EU model which was the immovable sticking point. It's now moved. Watch when the deal takes shape the Irish border to miraculously be solved overnight once it is no longer an EU bargaining chip. I might be totally wrong but let's see


Of course a deal will be done Stan. Only the lunatics want a no deal Brexit. But there won't be a victory for either slde and both sides will have to give and take. The big question then is once the final deal has been agreed will Brexit have been delivered.

The UK have folded on every major point up to this point. The EU haven't blinked (that's an Express headline) they have thrown May a lifeline. The EU's biggest fear is that May is overthrown and replaced by a hardline Brexiteer.

How they solve the Irish border issue is going to be very interesting, but solve it they must.
There are very worrying reports of legislation passing through the UK parliament at the moment in relation to the Irish border.



I think the biggest problem is no majority in the parliament on any option.

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It's obvious you guys want Britain to get a bad deal. You may get your wish. I don't know what's going on in the negotiations. Do you shaggy ? The fact the EU has offered something and wants something in return is no surprise that's what you do in negotiations. My feeling is a deal will be done and it's being worked on as we speak. What's significant in the story is the EU have blinked and offered something that breaks the EU model which was the immovable sticking point. It's now moved. Watch when the deal takes shape the Irish border to miraculously be solved overnight once it is no longer an EU bargaining chip. I might be totally wrong but let's see


Of course a deal will be done Stan. Only the lunatics want a no deal Brexit. But there won't be a victory for either slde and both sides will have to give and take. The big question then is once the final deal has been agreed will Brexit have been delivered.

The UK have folded on every major point up to this point. The EU haven't blinked (that's an Express headline) they have thrown May a lifeline. The EU's biggest fear is that May is overthrown and replaced by a hardline Brexiteer.

How they solve the Irish border issue is going to be very interesting, but solve it they must.
There are very worrying reports of legislation passing through the UK parliament at the moment in relation to the Irish border.



I think the biggest problem is no majority in the parliament on any option.


This is very sinister for those of us living on the border in Ireland.

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northerni...h-zone-1404017/

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A deal will be sorted will I be happy ? Probably not

I have read every page on the chequers agreement and no it's not ideal but it's not as bad as the brexiteers claim many are making two and two equal five. The key for me is that all legislative power is in the UK governments hands and we legally leave the EU as far as I can ascertain the chequers agreement meets that just ! The Irish border might mean a lot to the people living near it but in the scale of UK and EU and world trade it's not even a rounding error I am pretty sure arrangements can be found providing there is the will and the Irish government and the EU stop playing politics with people's lives. If not then there won't be an amicable solution it's as simple as that. And yes shaggy you are right the UK has made all the concessions it's now the EU,s turn if not then we walk away.


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