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[quote=Stanley Park]It's fine everyone saying everything is Britains problem and then dissing every solution Britain comes up with. That can only go on for so long we are running out of time fast. The Irish and the EU will either have to start working with Britain or we go out without a deal. Simple as that. And the biggest losers will be the Republic of Ireland [/quote
If you go out without a deal it will be entirely your own fault as it is impossible to negotiate a deal when one side doesn't even know what it wants.
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Shaggy am I wrong about renegade IRA and INLA units ? I accept you are likely to know more about this than I. By the way that is not saying you are connected just you are more likely to hear street talk than I. Why was the petrol bomb thrown at the home of Gerry Adams ? Was that renegade republican units or loyslist have you heard rumour wise? Yes you are right I have no idea and it's not been reported in the press however it will be known who it is.
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[quote=Stanley Park]It's fine everyone saying everything is Britains problem and then dissing every solution Britain comes up with. That can only go on for so long we are running out of time fast. The Irish and the EU will either have to start working with Britain or we go out without a deal. Simple as that. And the biggest losers will be the Republic of Ireland [/quote
If you go out without a deal it will be entirely your own fault as it is impossible to negotiate a deal when one side doesn't even know what it wants. The white paper obviously passed you by. However we are running out of time and whose fault it is really no longer matters
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[quote=Stanley Park]It's fine everyone saying everything is Britains problem and then dissing every solution Britain comes up with. That can only go on for so long we are running out of time fast. The Irish and the EU will either have to start working with Britain or we go out without a deal. Simple as that. And the biggest losers will be the Republic of Ireland [/quote
If you go out without a deal it will be entirely your own fault as it is impossible to negotiate a deal when one side doesn't even know what it wants. The white paper obviously passed you by. However we are running out of time and whose fault it is really no longer matters That white paper is unworkable regarding trade. How can you want to have your own tariffs with other countries but no border with EU which have other tariffs with the same countries? It's stupid.
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The negotiations on the white paper are ongoing yes we know the EU has issues. By the way I am no fan of the white paper but given the politics in the UK with most of parliament at odds with the electorate it's probably the best chance of getting a deal. What you are not taking account Vish is that no one (not even the press) knows what's happening in those negotiations happening now. At the end of the day it will be a political decision by the EU they know May can't water it down substantially and they know there are only two other options no deal or a basic trade deal. It's a case now of which way the EU will turn the ball is in their court. I have no idea but my instinct tells me a slightly watered down white paper that the UK government can still sell as respecting the referendum is the most likely. Why ? Because they are locked in talks and despite the bluster both sides want a deal
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The negotiations on the white paper are ongoing yes we know the EU has issues. By the way I am no fan of the white paper but given the politics in the UK with most of parliament at odds with the electorate it's probably the best chance of getting a deal. What you are not taking account Vish is that no one (not even the press) knows what's happening in those negotiations happening now. At the end of the day it will be a political decision by the EU they know May can't water it down substantially and they know there are only two other options no deal or a basic trade deal. It's a case now of which way the EU will turn the ball is in their court. I have no idea but my instinct tells me a slightly watered down white paper that the UK government can still sell as respecting the referendum is the most likely. Why ? Because they are locked in talks and despite the bluster both sides want a deal I know you don't like experts but I don't think there is a better option than a second referendum if the parliament cannot make up their mind https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/995847...ferendum-Remain
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You should be demanding a second vote for no other reason than the last one was invalid as the leave campaign cheated and broke the election laws. Simple as that.
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The negotiations on the white paper are ongoing yes we know the EU has issues. By the way I am no fan of the white paper but given the politics in the UK with most of parliament at odds with the electorate it's probably the best chance of getting a deal. What you are not taking account Vish is that no one (not even the press) knows what's happening in those negotiations happening now. At the end of the day it will be a political decision by the EU they know May can't water it down substantially and they know there are only two other options no deal or a basic trade deal. It's a case now of which way the EU will turn the ball is in their court. I have no idea but my instinct tells me a slightly watered down white paper that the UK government can still sell as respecting the referendum is the most likely. Why ? Because they are locked in talks and despite the bluster both sides want a deal I know you don't like experts but I don't think there is a better option than a second referendum if the parliament cannot make up their mind https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/995847...ferendum-Remain Let me get this right the British people in the biggest turn out in history with a clear instruction to the government who promise to implement that will. The politicians squabble and can't agree. We are then told to vote again because the politicians screwed up.
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The negotiations on the white paper are ongoing yes we know the EU has issues. By the way I am no fan of the white paper but given the politics in the UK with most of parliament at odds with the electorate it's probably the best chance of getting a deal. What you are not taking account Vish is that no one (not even the press) knows what's happening in those negotiations happening now. At the end of the day it will be a political decision by the EU they know May can't water it down substantially and they know there are only two other options no deal or a basic trade deal. It's a case now of which way the EU will turn the ball is in their court. I have no idea but my instinct tells me a slightly watered down white paper that the UK government can still sell as respecting the referendum is the most likely. Why ? Because they are locked in talks and despite the bluster both sides want a deal I know you don't like experts but I don't think there is a better option than a second referendum if the parliament cannot make up their mind https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/995847...ferendum-Remain Let me get this right the British people in the biggest turn out in history with a clear instruction to the government who promise to implement that will. The politicians squabble and can't agree. We are then told to vote again because the politicians screwed up. I think the problem Stan is that Brexit is undeliverable.
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The negotiations on the white paper are ongoing yes we know the EU has issues. By the way I am no fan of the white paper but given the politics in the UK with most of parliament at odds with the electorate it's probably the best chance of getting a deal. What you are not taking account Vish is that no one (not even the press) knows what's happening in those negotiations happening now. At the end of the day it will be a political decision by the EU they know May can't water it down substantially and they know there are only two other options no deal or a basic trade deal. It's a case now of which way the EU will turn the ball is in their court. I have no idea but my instinct tells me a slightly watered down white paper that the UK government can still sell as respecting the referendum is the most likely. Why ? Because they are locked in talks and despite the bluster both sides want a deal I know you don't like experts but I don't think there is a better option than a second referendum if the parliament cannot make up their mind https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/995847...ferendum-Remain Let me get this right the British people in the biggest turn out in history with a clear instruction to the government who promise to implement that will. The politicians squabble and can't agree. We are then told to vote again because the politicians screwed up. So what do you want to do if your elected politicians cannot agree?
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