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if you think the people who voted to leave the EU are all rich Tories you really understand little of Britain and its people.

President Blair was a self centred dick.

Do please show me the post where I said that.

Reading other people's posts significantly helps the quality of the debate.

Provided they have something worthwhile to add yes seriously I would really appreciate it if you added your own thoughts even if I disagree with them it's very frustrating engaging with a person who just pastes links or relegates complex issues to fictional personalities

Try reading them Stan

Just read a very interesting article about the problems in Italy I know much about it but this was in much more detail. There are a whole bunch of both political and economic problems in the EU around debt, the unfairness of the euro and bad loans. To put in perspective the sub prime loan crisis in America was 5% bad loans Italy is thought to be three times that and endemic across the eurozone. It's very complex but they were warning of a crash that will make the 2008 crash a picnic. Funny enough they said the Target2 system which is the money transfer system across the euro requires the infrastructure and stability of the London financial system and a hard brexit would give them real problems. I don't trust the establishment and there is a lot we don't know in the public and I wonder if there is more than meets the eye in Mays soft brexit and the fact she is meeting the leaders directly. I wonder if something bad is going on we don't know ?

If you google target2 and add Italy to the search there is a load of stuff on the web brexit is a sideshow

My eyes might have been deceiving me in the article I received but it said Germany has put 8,000 billion euros into Spain and Italy that can't be right it is it ?

I must have got that wrong

So May's proposal regarding the customs partnership is not workable for the EU as I expected. According to me there are only 3 possibilities for trade;
1. stay in the customs union which Rees Mogg etc do not want because they think there are greener pastures outside the EU
2. A Canada, Japan type trade deal acceptable to both the EU and hard Brexiters but not soft Brexiters, cross border business and DUP/Ireland as the border will have to move to the Irish see or on mainland Ireland
3. Crash out without a deal and go on WTO rules which will also mean hard borders.

Which one do you prefer because you'll probably be called to vote again? Do you think they should add option 4, staying in the EU in the ballot?

I think I would prefer WTO the hard border is totally overplayed in Northern Ireland there is already a hard border now not physical but there are different tax systems. The same would happen under WTO the trade between the republic and Northern Ireland is peanuts. If there are tariffs and short term disruption within the uk as a whole so be it. If you want to know what I would do I would have activated article 50 within a month of the vote. However it's not up to me Unfortunetly. Because barnier has rejected something does not mean negotiations have stopped quite the opposite 80% has been agreed and talks are going on quite aggressively my feeling is a deal will be ageed I am just worried I won't like it. If not then no deal. There is also something else QE has finished or slowed down and growth is slowing in Europe and the UK and the EU has massive problems with Italy and the euro so big they could bring the EU down within months. The eu also will be in massive trouble if Britain withholds the £39b if we leave without a deal the eu is insolvent. Another referendum would kill our democracy forever nothing would ever be trusted again and I think there would be civil unrest. There is also not time for another referendum they take years to prepare legally and constitutionally. The best outcome for me (given where we stand) is a so called soft brexit but keeping the red lines (which I understand to be the governments position) and amend occordingly over time via parliament when we are no longer EU members.