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In terms if today's developments the prime minister taking direct control is a good thing and shows we are reaching the nub of the negotiation which I expect to be leader vs leader and barnier sidelined. As for the article in the independent (a very pro remain newspaper) I don't understand it's implications it says the 1972 act won't be fully repealed what does that mean? If it's a technicality to align some aspects of the statute book with the transition then it may make sense. Or it might be sinister I have not read the detail have you read the detail shaggy ? Please enlighten us. You also have to consider article 50 which means we leave the EU In march unless all other 27 member states agree how does that work? Shaggy any ideas ?

Do you have anything to say about today's developments,.

Are you happy that the Brexit Department has now been entirely frozen out of the Brexit negotiations?

Are you happy with the UK remaining under EU laws for another 21 months?

Shaggy newspapers don't print the truth or facts they print what they think will sell the newspaper. The independent is a left wing remain newspaper so anything they can turn to be anti brexit they will highlight. Right wing newspapers do the same in reverse. So when anyone sends a link from a newspaper purporting it to be factual and conclusive proof is...I won't insult. I am not always right but always I give my opinions based on my judgement that's why you rarely see me posting newspaper links. I don't like the way the government is heading with negotiations but I can understand why given the internal politics which is the main problem. My understanding for some time has been there will be a transition period and some EU we will have to obey. So not sure whether this is a new development or the independent creating a story. Presumably shaggy you know you tell me ? My concern is by march 2019 we legally leave the EU or are we still a member ? That's what I need to find out do you know shaggy ? Unless you can come up with your own thoughts I am getting bored of the insults by newspaper links

So it's all fake news then Stan when you don't like what you read.

Also anyone who gives you their opinion is dismissed for giving views that are only "their" opinion.

So damned if we do, damned if we don't. You can believe the article or you can choose not to, we will all know soon enough.

Divide and conquer isn't going to work with the EU.

May will need to make further concessions and come up with a solution to the Irish border issue if she is to secure a deal with the EU.

Barnier will not be sidelined and there are 27 leaders on the other side who need convincing, it has to be unanimously approved. Merkel and Macron are the main ones for sure but every member vote counts. So anybody feeling UK will have an unfair advantage will not approve the deal. Thus I think it will have to be very close to an existing arrangement.

My point which is pretty conclusive by now you have no judgements or opinions of your own links from the guardian or independent are your limit. Newspapers don't print the truth they print opinions from journalists doing their job.....which is....to sell newspapers. The key point for me is do we leave the EU as members next march or don't we? The fact we still have to obey some EU laws is pretty self evident as we are in a transition deal it's just a technicality but it makes a great headline. If I have misinterpreted it and we are remaining as an EU member then for me it's a massive problem. I asked you for clarification as expected none came your limit (as I know now) is posting links from the independent it guardian (pro remain newspapers) I don't even think you read the articles just the headline. I think you are a lovely feller shaggy I really wish you would give your own opinion and move on from this English hating silo you live in which can't be good for your well being

I think barnier is already sidelined macron and merkel are probably working with May as we speak, barniers job is simply to state their position. You are right there are 25 other countries in the EU all with differing needs and opinions one reason why Britain was right to leave any agreements are a mish mash. Their opinions count but I feel bottom line Britain France and Germany will agree the shape of any deal that comes out. I think there will be a deal (I don't want one) but I think there is simply too much to lose and I think it will be a soft brexit which won't please a lot of people but it will be sufficient for May to say she delivered brexit. May will then step down. My big fear is many Tory voters will feel betrayed and withhold their vote at the next election meaning we get the nightmare of a Marxist PM. As I have said before that really will screw the British economy especially post brexit when Britain needs to be competitive. That is my biggest fear at the moment

The other point about these guardian and independent articles is they are part of a campaign to keep us in the EU by guerilla tactics. Open Britain funded by George Soros and people like Blair are running a campaign this summer to try to stop us exiting the EU. So all these daily horror stories (food running out the latest one) you see in the remain papers are I am sure fed by this group to friendly journalists to their cause. Their aim is to stop us leaving by march which is why (from my point of view) we leave as members by that date. After that open Britain will go away and we can return to normal.

The Mail and the express are of course bastions of unbiased journalism.

It is clear that whenever Britain finally leaves it will be with such a watered down version of Brexit that it won't have been worth the bother.

Also not one of the leading Brexiteers have come forward with a clear roadmap for Britain once you leave.

Farage jumped ship immediately (EU Pension guaranteed) and as you near the point of no return Boris and Davis have abdicated their responsibilities also. Gove has performed a complete u-turn in order to save his own skin and Raab barely lasted a fortnight.

The brexiteers don't have a plan outside of Moggs declaration that it may take 50 years before Britain sees the benefits of Brexit. I don't remember seeing that on the side of any campaign buses.

Brexit has turned the UK into a laughing stock on the world stage and the government stumbles from one crisis to another on an almost daily basis. It is hamstrung by an internal civil war and took two years to present a white paper that was instantly sabotaged by the far right loonies who seek a No deal Brexit.

It has now reached the stage where the Brexit Department will no longer be negotiating the Brexit deal and May has taken over the reins herself. Hostilities in parliament will recommence in the autumn and all the while the clock will be ticking.

Brexiteers including Stan are now happy to accept a customs union with a different name and EU rules with the only definite being that British concessions will continue as the EU holds all the cards.

It seems that any Brexit will do so that brexiteers can claim some kind of victory at the end of all this madness. At the end of it all it will be the ordinary people who suffer most as always.

It is going to be an expensive price to pay for a blue passport.