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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Britain in the negotiations has given way continuously the EU has given up nothing. In terms of the Irish border Britain has proposed a solution and the backstop Ireland and the EU have offered nothing other than rejecting every proposal and banking concessions and asking for more. We know what the EU gets from it but what does Ireland gain. It's clear now Britain has offered everything the EU have stonewalled the foreign secretary yesterday at last started to talk hardball with the EU. And a no deal looks very much on the cards. I read in that instance the worst country to be hit would be the Republic of Ireland with talk of their GDP falling 4% overnight. It's very hard to understand how the Irish prime ministers stance has helped Ireland. It's fine just keep saying it's Britains problem but time is running out. As for his idiotic comments about aircraft he just made a fool of himself. Britain didn't create this mess the British people voted to leave the EU that should be respected if Northern Ireland ever voted to rejoin the republic that would also create massive change should that then be rejected because of that reason ?


Britain have given ground continuously because what they have been asking for is unattainable. Think "cake and eat it".

It's funny that if you read something in an article it is passed of as fact and if someone else posts an article it is project fear.

Your own government and your own parliament won't even respect the vote because they don't know that Brexit means. You have already folded on your original red lines and the current white paper is Brexit in Name Only.

The Good Friday Agreement is an internationally recognised peace agreement that Britain signed up to. The return of a hard border on the island of Ireland will destroy the Good Friday Agreement and the progress made in the last 20 years. Why should the 6 counties, who voted to remain, suffer because of a group of Tory right wing loonies obsessied with delivering a hard Brexit or a no deal Brexit.

Britain created the hard border nightmare just like they created the 6 counties statelet. It is up to Britain to provide an acceptable solution. But still we wait. We of course realise that there will be no solution whilst May is beholding to the DUP. Incidentally that's the same DUP that were the only party to vote against the Good Friday Agreement.

Get ready to fold again because you don't hold any cards.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Britain in the negotiations has given way continuously the EU has given up nothing. In terms of the Irish border Britain has proposed a solution and the backstop Ireland and the EU have offered nothing other than rejecting every proposal and banking concessions and asking for more. We know what the EU gets from it but what does Ireland gain. It's clear now Britain has offered everything the EU have stonewalled the foreign secretary yesterday at last started to talk hardball with the EU. And a no deal looks very much on the cards. I read in that instance the worst country to be hit would be the Republic of Ireland with talk of their GDP falling 4% overnight. It's very hard to understand how the Irish prime ministers stance has helped Ireland. It's fine just keep saying it's Britains problem but time is running out. As for his idiotic comments about aircraft he just made a fool of himself. Britain didn't create this mess the British people voted to leave the EU that should be respected if Northern Ireland ever voted to rejoin the republic that would also create massive change should that then be rejected because of that reason ?


What has UK given way again? There are existing models when in comes to relationship with the EU, UK want something else, they haven't given anything. What comes to your mind, I don't understand?

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if the good Friday agreement is so important I would have thought the Irish prime minister would be keen to work with Britain to formulate an acceptable plan for the Irish border. He should also refrain from stupid provocative statements about aircraft particularly when he appears to know nothing about it. Also why the good Friday agreement keeps being thrown in by remainers I don't know border trade is not even in the good Friday agreement. The people who keep raking it up to stop brexit are the ones harming the peace process. May has moved to a soft brexit with the chequers agreement and the EU has offered nothing in return. Anything less than chequers is still in the EU. As I guessed a couple of weeks ago and turned out to be right Britain is now talking direct to EU leaders she is staying at macrons residence as we speak I wonder what they could be discussing ? Frogs legs ? Frances World Cup win ? Britain has moved as far as it can and no deal very much is on the cards now. If that means the Irish border is not to anyone's liking so be it in blame the Irish PM. May needs the DUP to get any deal through parliament so if it was too bad they would no doubt step in.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
if the good Friday agreement is so important I would have thought the Irish prime minister would be keen to work with Britain to formulate an acceptable plan for the Irish border. He should also refrain from stupid provocative statements about aircraft particularly when he appears to know nothing about it. Also why the good Friday agreement keeps being thrown in by remainers I don't know border trade is not even in the good Friday agreement. The people who keep raking it up to stop brexit are the ones harming the peace process. May has moved to a soft brexit with the chequers agreement and the EU has offered nothing in return. Anything less than chequers is still in the EU. As I guessed a couple of weeks ago and turned out to be right Britain is now talking direct to EU leaders she is staying at macrons residence as we speak I wonder what they could be discussing ? Frogs legs ? Frances World Cup win ? Britain has moved as far as it can and no deal very much is on the cards now. If that means the Irish border is not to anyone's liking so be it in blame the Irish PM. May needs the DUP to get any deal through parliament so if it was too bad they would no doubt step in.


So the best you can come up with is the Irish border issue is now the Irish Taoiseach's fault.

That's the thing with brexiteers, they have no answers.

Where is Farage, Boris, JRM or Davis's in depth plan for making Britain great after Brexit?
Gove had accepted the game is up and is now peddling Brexit in name only.

The Irish border problem may be a non issue for you but it is very real for the people living here.

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Gove has slithered away in the background waiting to slither back and take Mays job.


That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Gove has slithered away in the background waiting to slither back and take Mays job.


A true statesman.

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I dònt think you give a fig about the Irish border shaggy if you did you would be angry the EU and British remain politicans are using the good Friday agreement to weaponise the border in order for the EU to extract concessions from the UK it's their best weapon. The Irish people are being used as pawns in a wider game. The border and trade has nothing to do with the good Friday agreement as you well know. If there is to be a proper solution all sides involved have to work together carry on saying no no no to every suggestion Britain makes to destabilise our government and brexit will have one outcome and it's coming soon NO DEAL and the biggest sufferer will be the Republic of Ireland. Pity their prime minister has another agenda maybe he has a future EU role lined up.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I dònt think you give a fig about the Irish border shaggy if you did you would be angry the EU and British remain politicans are using the good Friday agreement to weaponise the border in order for the EU to extract concessions from the UK it's their best weapon. The Irish people are being used as pawns in a wider game. The border and trade has nothing to do with the good Friday agreement as you well know. If there is to be a proper solution all sides involved have to work together carry on saying no no no to every suggestion Britain makes to destabilise our government and brexit will have one outcome and it's coming soon NO DEAL and the biggest sufferer will be the Republic of Ireland. Pity their prime minister has another agenda maybe he has a future EU role lined up.


Shocking ignorance on your part. But sadly not surprising. You are Brexit in a nutshell. Sound bites and no substance.

Britain will suffer worst from No Deal, but do keep deluding yourself.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I dònt think you give a fig about the Irish border shaggy if you did you would be angry the EU and British remain politicans are using the good Friday agreement to weaponise the border in order for the EU to extract concessions from the UK it's their best weapon. The Irish people are being used as pawns in a wider game. The border and trade has nothing to do with the good Friday agreement as you well know. If there is to be a proper solution all sides involved have to work together carry on saying no no no to every suggestion Britain makes to destabilise our government and brexit will have one outcome and it's coming soon NO DEAL and the biggest sufferer will be the Republic of Ireland. Pity their prime minister has another agenda maybe he has a future EU role lined up.


Shocking ignorance on your part. But sadly not surprising. You are Brexit in a nutshell. Sound bites and no substance.

Britain will suffer worst from No Deal, but do keep deluding yourself.


Ignorance is not been able to article a coherant thought of your own. No deal will harm britain (but in my view only in the short term) but in a negotiation both sides have to work together. If that does not happen there will be no deal. In my view though there will be a deal its clear Barnier and the EU commission are not running things now. Its leader to leader and that should have been the case from day one. I may not like the deal but I fear it will come as long as it meets the red lines I have said many times previous then reluctantly I will accept it. The rest can be cleaned up in following elections.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I dònt think you give a fig about the Irish border shaggy if you did you would be angry the EU and British remain politicans are using the good Friday agreement to weaponise the border in order for the EU to extract concessions from the UK it's their best weapon. The Irish people are being used as pawns in a wider game. The border and trade has nothing to do with the good Friday agreement as you well know. If there is to be a proper solution all sides involved have to work together carry on saying no no no to every suggestion Britain makes to destabilise our government and brexit will have one outcome and it's coming soon NO DEAL and the biggest sufferer will be the Republic of Ireland. Pity their prime minister has another agenda maybe he has a future EU role lined up.


Shocking ignorance on your part. But sadly not surprising. You are Brexit in a nutshell. Sound bites and no substance.

Britain will suffer worst from No Deal, but do keep deluding yourself.


Ignorance is not been able to article a coherant thought of your own. No deal will harm britain (but in my view only in the short term) but in a negotiation both sides have to work together. If that does not happen there will be no deal. In my view though there will be a deal its clear Barnier and the EU commission are not running things now. Its leader to leader and that should have been the case from day one. I may not like the deal but I fear it will come as long as it meets the red lines I have said many times previous then reluctantly I will accept it. The rest can be cleaned up in following elections.


No, ignorance is pretending a problem doesn't exist when you haven't got a solution.

Still waiting for even one brexiteers plan for making Britain a success after Brexit.

Also your assertion that Britain are going to divide and conquer the EU is naive in the extreme. No solution to the Irish border problem and there will be no deal.

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