KopTalk.com Forums Brexit and the chequers agreement ?

I agree with you Stan, modern politicians have little to be proud about.

I think a lot of remainers have accepted that Brexit is going to take place but it's what form it takes that is causing difficulty. I don't think anyone seriously thinks there is going to be a second referendum.

Any future vote on a United Ireland will have to include safeguards for unionists amongst other things before a vote could take place. I don't think anyone here would dispute that.

In general yes but I am not sure if hard or soft Brexit is all about politics, for a lot of MPs it's about belief. I doesn't look to me that the likes of Ken Clark or Anna Soubry have a political agenda or a huge ambition as Boris the clown.

Ken Clarke and Anna soubry have an agenda all right they are fantatical europhiles. Both are near to retirement good old ken wanted us to join the euro. I remember it him and john major we would (according to them) face economic ruin if we failed to join the euro. Now where have we heard talk like that recently ? In any case it's irrelevant Clarke and soubry have no power in the Tory party they are a minority. The sooner brexit is sorted the better this political nonsense is getting tiresome. A businessman on TV yesterday said something that hit home to me. In business if you procrastinate it's seen as bad if an MP procrastinates they gain more power. And we wonder why the country is in a mess!

What's their agenda? They are close to retirement as you say, so they are just fighting for their belief. Exactly what I said.

What are they fighting for ? to overturn the referendum result is that their belief ? In which case the sooner they retire the better if they have learned so little about democracy. Anyway Vish if you are putting your faith in that pair to overturn brexit I wish you luck

Why should I turn anything or put faith anywhere in your mess? I was just telling you that it's not all politics as you stated, that's all. You have your beliefs but not everybody has the same and they can fight for their beliefs as much the want. Live with it. If you thought everything would be plain sailing in such a divided country, you were deluding yourself.

The whole thing is a sorry mess and it looks like we are going to have a hard border forced upon us here in Ireland.

I am not sure what a hard border is in this context certaintly no one sees watchtowers however there might have to be more checks than otherwise would be the case. Britain has proposed a solution that would have needed no checks and seemed perfectly sensible to me. It was rejected by the EU and it's assistant the Republic of Ireland. Ireland had opportunity to work with Britain to create an amicable solution but shunned it in favour of allowing the EU to weaponise it. And now the price must be paid and the Irish will pay it. I know shaggy will say it's Britains mess Britain must sort it but only solution will require both sides to work together in the right spirit and time is rapidly running out. The stupid prime minister of Ireland has allowed the EU to use the Irish people as pawns in the EU,s game. The other claim to fame of the republics PM was threatening not to let British planes fly over Irish airspace not realising the RAF protect Irish airspace for free and that Ireland relies on British air traffic control. Not the brightest star in the sky for sure

Only insults Stan, no answers. That's all brexiteers have left now. That and blue passports.

Britain created this mess, not Ireland and not the EU. They still haven't offered a credible, workable solution two years later.

Britain in the negotiations has given way continuously the EU has given up nothing. In terms of the Irish border Britain has proposed a solution and the backstop Ireland and the EU have offered nothing other than rejecting every proposal and banking concessions and asking for more. We know what the EU gets from it but what does Ireland gain. It's clear now Britain has offered everything the EU have stonewalled the foreign secretary yesterday at last started to talk hardball with the EU. And a no deal looks very much on the cards. I read in that instance the worst country to be hit would be the Republic of Ireland with talk of their GDP falling 4% overnight. It's very hard to understand how the Irish prime ministers stance has helped Ireland. It's fine just keep saying it's Britains problem but time is running out. As for his idiotic comments about aircraft he just made a fool of himself. Britain didn't create this mess the British people voted to leave the EU that should be respected if Northern Ireland ever voted to rejoin the republic that would also create massive change should that then be rejected because of that reason ?