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If we trigger Oblak’s release clause, I’m sure we’ll end up with either one of Oblak, Courtois or Alisson.
We’re one of 4 clubs after these 3 GK and I think we stand a pretty good chance.
Chelsea without CL and also questions over the new manager as well as even the ownership may see them lose out on transfer targets
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If we can't get Alisson or Oblak. We may as well stick with Karius until we can get the best available. Second best doesn't usually work out well
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It's hard to see a realistic title challenge with Karius though, if we have the ambition to challenge on all or most fronts this coming season we need to sign a top keeper.
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If we are going to pay the TOP premium for a GoalKeeper, he has to be a perfect fit to our playing style. I found this interesting article: Oblak, Butland, Alisson, Cillessen: Which Linked Goalkeeper Best Suits Liverpool? By Karl Matchett Tuesday 19th June 2018 Debate has raged ever since the Champions League final, over whether Liverpool should sign a new goalkeeper to replace Loris Karius, and over whether his concussion—sustained early on in the game before Real Madrid’s goals—played a pivotal part in the remainder of the match. In some ways, it’s an irrelevance on both counts. The Reds are going to sign a new stopper, as a challenger or a starter, and the match is done and gone. Liverpool have been linked, from dubiously to relentlessly, with half a dozen goalkeepers this summer alone. A quartet in particular look to be most prominent, most realistically spoken about: Jack Butland of Stoke, Brazil and Roma’s Alisson and two LaLiga goalkeepers: Jasper Cillessen and Jan Oblak. Which is best and which is best-suited are not necessarily going to provide the same answer, but it’s an important consideration for Liverpool’s future. The undoubted elite
Picking one as the standout, Atletico Madrid’s Oblak is an obvious candidate. With a release clause of €100 million, his quality comes at a premium price, and rightly so. With top attackers - or even potential top attackers - now going for that price, one of the best two or three goalkeepers in world football should absolutely command the same price. The Slovenian is incredibly consistent, is as safe with his handling as he is impressive with his reach and reflexes, and presents an impenetrable barrier in one-on-one situations. Is he best for Liverpool? If the Reds simply want the best goalkeeper, then yes. Mentality, technical quality and expectation to succeed will all be ticked off with Oblak. The very few question marks over suitability would come from his short-range distribution and speed off his line, given the stylistic differences in how the Reds defend under Jurgen Klopp compared to Atletico Madrid’s deeper, more compact approach. Alisson of Roma is the more typical prototype, but at a similar price level, Oblak offers greater goalkeeping quality so would be the more realistic target. He also has a specific release clause, whereas Roma’s valuation of their Brazilian could soar due to World Cup performances, interest from elsewhere and a lingering annoyance at the low valuation of Mohamed Salah last summer. If Liverpool are going to spend enormous, Oblak has to be the one. Significant upgrades or pushing the squad?Butland vs. Karius feels rather more like Klopp would be offering both an equal chance to become first-choice goalkeeper for the Reds. It would be a step-up for the Englishman, coming from relegated Stoke, but Klopp has already shown with the likes of Andy Robertson that he can spot the quality and adaptable mentality among the dross. Doubtless it’s a signing that would be looked down on by some, but Butland has real ability and can reach greater heights than he has managed so far. But a far better fit would be Dutchman Cillessen, currently the No. 2 at Barcelona. Cillessen is a tremendous ball-playing goalkeeper, absolutely comfortable with short and long distribution from both feet and hands. He’s determined, brave and has good reading of the game, able to quickly stop danger with his good starting positions and quick feet off his line. Excellent shot-stopping of comes comes as standard, and while his consistency can’t be compared to the likes of Oblak on account of being a second choice at his club, the fact he has continually helped Barca go the distance in the Copa del Rey showcases that he’s been impressive when given the chance and hasn’t made match-costing errors. Cillessen won’t come as high-priced as Alisson or Oblak, and even if Barcelona do demand a premium to let go of a highly rated stopper, it’s absolutely worth paying. Competing with Marc-Andre ter Stegen—one of the finest last season around the globe alongside Oblak—will have pushed Cillessen’s belief, determination and probably his ability even higher, too. The Reds have two options to drastically upgrade what has been a problematic position over the past couple of years: a record-breaking move for the very best in Oblak, or aim for perhaps the best-suited player they could discover in Cillessen. https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/ob...suits-liverpool
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If we are going to pay the TOP premium for a GoalKeeper, he has to be a perfect fit to our playing style. I found this interesting article: Oblak, Butland, Alisson, Cillessen: Which Linked Goalkeeper Best Suits Liverpool? By Karl Matchett Tuesday 19th June 2018 Debate has raged ever since the Champions League final, over whether Liverpool should sign a new goalkeeper to replace Loris Karius, and over whether his concussion—sustained early on in the game before Real Madrid’s goals—played a pivotal part in the remainder of the match. In some ways, it’s an irrelevance on both counts. The Reds are going to sign a new stopper, as a challenger or a starter, and the match is done and gone. Liverpool have been linked, from dubiously to relentlessly, with half a dozen goalkeepers this summer alone. A quartet in particular look to be most prominent, most realistically spoken about: Jack Butland of Stoke, Brazil and Roma’s Alisson and two LaLiga goalkeepers: Jasper Cillessen and Jan Oblak. Which is best and which is best-suited are not necessarily going to provide the same answer, but it’s an important consideration for Liverpool’s future. The undoubted elite
Picking one as the standout, Atletico Madrid’s Oblak is an obvious candidate. With a release clause of €100 million, his quality comes at a premium price, and rightly so. With top attackers - or even potential top attackers - now going for that price, one of the best two or three goalkeepers in world football should absolutely command the same price. The Slovenian is incredibly consistent, is as safe with his handling as he is impressive with his reach and reflexes, and presents an impenetrable barrier in one-on-one situations. Is he best for Liverpool? If the Reds simply want the best goalkeeper, then yes. Mentality, technical quality and expectation to succeed will all be ticked off with Oblak. The very few question marks over suitability would come from his short-range distribution and speed off his line, given the stylistic differences in how the Reds defend under Jurgen Klopp compared to Atletico Madrid’s deeper, more compact approach. Alisson of Roma is the more typical prototype, but at a similar price level, Oblak offers greater goalkeeping quality so would be the more realistic target. He also has a specific release clause, whereas Roma’s valuation of their Brazilian could soar due to World Cup performances, interest from elsewhere and a lingering annoyance at the low valuation of Mohamed Salah last summer. If Liverpool are going to spend enormous, Oblak has to be the one. Significant upgrades or pushing the squad?Butland vs. Karius feels rather more like Klopp would be offering both an equal chance to become first-choice goalkeeper for the Reds. It would be a step-up for the Englishman, coming from relegated Stoke, but Klopp has already shown with the likes of Andy Robertson that he can spot the quality and adaptable mentality among the dross. Doubtless it’s a signing that would be looked down on by some, but Butland has real ability and can reach greater heights than he has managed so far. But a far better fit would be Dutchman Cillessen, currently the No. 2 at Barcelona. Cillessen is a tremendous ball-playing goalkeeper, absolutely comfortable with short and long distribution from both feet and hands. He’s determined, brave and has good reading of the game, able to quickly stop danger with his good starting positions and quick feet off his line. Excellent shot-stopping of comes comes as standard, and while his consistency can’t be compared to the likes of Oblak on account of being a second choice at his club, the fact he has continually helped Barca go the distance in the Copa del Rey showcases that he’s been impressive when given the chance and hasn’t made match-costing errors. Cillessen won’t come as high-priced as Alisson or Oblak, and even if Barcelona do demand a premium to let go of a highly rated stopper, it’s absolutely worth paying. Competing with Marc-Andre ter Stegen—one of the finest last season around the globe alongside Oblak—will have pushed Cillessen’s belief, determination and probably his ability even higher, too. The Reds have two options to drastically upgrade what has been a problematic position over the past couple of years: a record-breaking move for the very best in Oblak, or aim for perhaps the best-suited player they could discover in Cillessen. https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/ob...suits-liverpool The article author is pushing for Cillessen obviously, a FSG insider I an sure.
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If we are going to pay the TOP premium for a GoalKeeper, he has to be a perfect fit to our playing style. I found this interesting article: Oblak, Butland, Alisson, Cillessen: Which Linked Goalkeeper Best Suits Liverpool? By Karl Matchett Tuesday 19th June 2018 Debate has raged ever since the Champions League final, over whether Liverpool should sign a new goalkeeper to replace Loris Karius, and over whether his concussion—sustained early on in the game before Real Madrid’s goals—played a pivotal part in the remainder of the match. In some ways, it’s an irrelevance on both counts. The Reds are going to sign a new stopper, as a challenger or a starter, and the match is done and gone. Liverpool have been linked, from dubiously to relentlessly, with half a dozen goalkeepers this summer alone. A quartet in particular look to be most prominent, most realistically spoken about: Jack Butland of Stoke, Brazil and Roma’s Alisson and two LaLiga goalkeepers: Jasper Cillessen and Jan Oblak. Which is best and which is best-suited are not necessarily going to provide the same answer, but it’s an important consideration for Liverpool’s future. The undoubted elite
Picking one as the standout, Atletico Madrid’s Oblak is an obvious candidate. With a release clause of €100 million, his quality comes at a premium price, and rightly so. With top attackers - or even potential top attackers - now going for that price, one of the best two or three goalkeepers in world football should absolutely command the same price. The Slovenian is incredibly consistent, is as safe with his handling as he is impressive with his reach and reflexes, and presents an impenetrable barrier in one-on-one situations. Is he best for Liverpool? If the Reds simply want the best goalkeeper, then yes. Mentality, technical quality and expectation to succeed will all be ticked off with Oblak. The very few question marks over suitability would come from his short-range distribution and speed off his line, given the stylistic differences in how the Reds defend under Jurgen Klopp compared to Atletico Madrid’s deeper, more compact approach. Alisson of Roma is the more typical prototype, but at a similar price level, Oblak offers greater goalkeeping quality so would be the more realistic target. He also has a specific release clause, whereas Roma’s valuation of their Brazilian could soar due to World Cup performances, interest from elsewhere and a lingering annoyance at the low valuation of Mohamed Salah last summer. If Liverpool are going to spend enormous, Oblak has to be the one. Significant upgrades or pushing the squad?Butland vs. Karius feels rather more like Klopp would be offering both an equal chance to become first-choice goalkeeper for the Reds. It would be a step-up for the Englishman, coming from relegated Stoke, but Klopp has already shown with the likes of Andy Robertson that he can spot the quality and adaptable mentality among the dross. Doubtless it’s a signing that would be looked down on by some, but Butland has real ability and can reach greater heights than he has managed so far. But a far better fit would be Dutchman Cillessen, currently the No. 2 at Barcelona. Cillessen is a tremendous ball-playing goalkeeper, absolutely comfortable with short and long distribution from both feet and hands. He’s determined, brave and has good reading of the game, able to quickly stop danger with his good starting positions and quick feet off his line. Excellent shot-stopping of comes comes as standard, and while his consistency can’t be compared to the likes of Oblak on account of being a second choice at his club, the fact he has continually helped Barca go the distance in the Copa del Rey showcases that he’s been impressive when given the chance and hasn’t made match-costing errors. Cillessen won’t come as high-priced as Alisson or Oblak, and even if Barcelona do demand a premium to let go of a highly rated stopper, it’s absolutely worth paying. Competing with Marc-Andre ter Stegen—one of the finest last season around the globe alongside Oblak—will have pushed Cillessen’s belief, determination and probably his ability even higher, too. The Reds have two options to drastically upgrade what has been a problematic position over the past couple of years: a record-breaking move for the very best in Oblak, or aim for perhaps the best-suited player they could discover in Cillessen. https://www.thesportsman.com/articles/ob...suits-liverpool The article author is pushing for Cillessen obviously, a FSG insider I an sure. Maybe so, but he has appeared to rate Cillessen as 3rd best after Oblak and Alisson. Every Liverpool fan would naturally prefer Oblak and if not him then Alisson. However if either can't be signed I'd settle for Cilessen, he'd be a considerable upgrade on Karius IMO.
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Would be lovely if Ath Madrid sells us Oblak to get Courtois. It’ll help with their finances too. Wishing...
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If the the right keeper presents himself (who ever it is) then price should not be an object as a keepers life is long, and their exposure to the rigours of the game is limited compared to that of an outfield player.
We have the money so there is no excuse not to 'splash the cash' instead of this insistent desire to 'develop' a potential.
If he costs £90 Mil and has a 10 year career then that's 9 Mil a year well spent.
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Just be done with it and raid Leicester, get Schmeichel and Mahrez and maybe even Vardy. Offer them the choice of players we are trying to offload as well as cash.
Of the current Keepers in the prem, Schmeichel fits our style of play best. Mahrez can play anywhere along the front line which it looks like we have been trying for that type of player with Fekir. Vardy would be the wild card but he'd be a nice option to have coming off the bench, instead of Ings or Solanke.
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Wow and Leicester will roll over and sell them all to us.
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