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Originally Posted By van Gogh
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
This seems more about Lyon than us this time. Their owner can be a right tw@t and if you believe reports, all was done and dusted with the fee, medical and personal terms.

But regardless, bring on the FSG bashing conspiracy theories.



Why is it that every time someone says something negative about FSG you get your knickers in a twist?

Isn't it true that we have a history of making a mockery of many deals when they seem to be dusted and done?

Since we are fans and don't have any inside knowledge it's a lot of hypotheses and thoughts of course, but the facts are there for all to see.

We are messing things up one way or another, even when we seem to be on the home straight with all the cards in our hands.


I’m not getting my nickers in a twist about anything. If you want to listen to the nut job conspiracists then more fool you. I thought you had a bit more sense about you but maybe you’re the same as the rest?

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Here is the most reasonable explanation that I have seen so far, for this being drawn out:

On Thursday evening L’Equipe reported Nabil Fekir to Liverpool was all agreed. Despite the story breaking in France, it was made clear by L’Equipe that they’d got the information from their own English sources.

Lyon then completely denied the information, which wasn’t especially unusual, and then came a whole lot of speculating as to why. There were suggestions of big fluctuations in Lyon’s share price due to the deal, but this was complete nonsense, the club’s share price couldn’t have bee much calmer.

Then there were claims the deal couldn’t be announced until the evening and after the French stock market had closed, and again this was nonsense. Similar has been peddled previously about Manchester United and other clubs, and transfer window financial experts manage to push forward all kinds of regulations.

As transfers go, it’s not the type of share price impacting business development which requires such thought. But, yet, as it happened with United and others it will continue to happen with Lyon.

The evening came and went and there was no announcement from Liverpool. Fekir himself, with the rest of the squad, flew from France’s Clairefontaine training centre to Lyon, where the country face the US tonight, and arrived at midday.

There were claims from RMC that he’d undergone a Liverpool medical the night before.

Saturday’s edition of L’Equipe has a look at the situation, and it’s telling they don’t touch on the shares. The French newspaper, who it’s worth remembering broke all this on Thursday, reiterate Liverpool and Lyon found an agreement on the transfer Thursday night.

For the delay, it’s stated while it’s ‘officially unknown’, ‘some sources spoke of a financial disagreement in Nabil Fekir’s camp’.

From the English perspective, L’Equipe got an ‘It’s crazy’ comment. Interestingly, the French newspaper suggest Lyon’s problem with the claims wasn’t generally about a transfer, but the €65m figure which then started to circulate.

The player’s entourage were either optimistic or quiet when L’Equipe tried to contact them, with someone close to Fekir being quoted as saying “It’ll get better” on Friday night.

It’s stated Liverpool’s Barry Hunter, ‘one of the major players’ in this transfer, turned up in Lyon yesterday and that could be to help get things over the line.

RMC speculate that because the French transfer window opens today, it couldn’t be announced before, but that doesn’t seem right. The transfer window is really just a registration window relating to when players can be registered to play in certain competitions, it’s perfectly fine to sign players outside of that period, financially listed or not.

Then there’s the speculation that Lyon may be waiting until July 1st so the money counts on next year’s accounts, but if it’s all already agreed then that looks like a manipulation. Given everyone has suddenly become experts of the French stock market they should probably know there’d be an issue with that.

If Lyon wanted to delay until July, they’d have to refuse to fully agree a deal until that time.

Fekir to Liverpool could be announced in the next few hours, it could be before he travels to Russia, there’s clearly a hope for that but no clear information it will be. Primarily, the current Lyon player has to hope to get minutes for France tonight, at his home ground.

L’Equipe say Fekir has bought as many tickets as possible for family and friends. This is just us getting into the theme of speculating, but with all the crazy reasons being pushed forward at the moment, perhaps there’s a chance he just wants to still be a Lyon player this evening, just for this match.

There will be a reason for Hunter flying over, and it’s likely to either be related to the Fekir camp or Lyon and their owner Jean-Michel Aulas. As for the claims regarding an issue with Fekir’s knee, there’s absolutely no mention of that from L’Equipe.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-financi...nter-sent-lyon/

Nobody from Lyon have officially stated that they have accepted Liverpool's offer for Fekir, so there really can't be a suggestion of manipulation. Being able to put a transfer of this size for Lyon onto next years accounts would help them a lot and makes sense.

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Nobody knows for sure what happened but if we tried to get a discount after the medical, then that was foolish. If everything is agreed and you are not happy with the medical, you should just move away, not try to negotiate the price down especially if the club is not very willing to sell

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For me this is more about Lyon than us. He’d passed his medical according to reports, had his signing picture, interview etc. Any medical issues would’ve come forward before any of that was done.

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Shame, looks a tidy player. Got to be more to this than a dodgy knee injury. I'm not sure this is 100% dead in the water just yet.

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The fact no one from Liverpool has come out and said anything means it's most likely Lyon messing up. He said he didn't want a deal before the world cup. Now he has no deal before the world cup. I still think he will sign before the window ends

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Originally Posted By Mr Bojangles
The fact no one from Liverpool has come out and said anything means it's most likely Lyon messing up. He said he didn't want a deal before the world cup. Now he has no deal before the world cup. I still think he will sign before the window ends


The fact that we have said nothing I think means we still think a deal can be done and we don't want to [oops] Lyon off like we did with Southampton last year.

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Something from the echo

“But it is understood the deal collapsed on Friday morning when Liverpool withdrew their interest after the player’s medical. Any attempts to then renegotiate the terms of the transfer were not initiated by the Reds.”

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/fo...-after-14765994

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when it comes to making f@ck ups in football,nobody does it quite like liverpool.its a sad fact but we are the undeniable kings of embarresing bollok drops.ok so he failed a medical but why do all the pics in the shirt and all the rest of the crap when the deal is not over the line?sometimes the club just make me want to bury my head in the sand.we always seem to have deals in the bag that never actually happen.the club should now come out and say that the guy failed the medical and they will no longer be looking to sign Fekir.they cant be stupid enough to think that by remaining silent it wont get reported.it will,it has.

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I'm just going to enjoy my holiday now. I don't care what happens. If we sign players we do, if we don't then we don't.

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