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Well said.
Karius would normally stay down for 5 minutes after receiving an elbow in order to get the player sent off.

Unless of course he was unable to get back up.

Thats why he got up straight away - because he didnt want Ramos to get sent off.
Just needed an excuse for letting three goals in.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
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Conspiracies are for the weak minded who can't handle reality.

We're not a laughing stock and our owners have better things to do with their time than to make up stories to try and look good or what ever it is you think they're trying to do.

Unless you're a doctor or have suffered concussion and know it's effects first hand, you can't say with any certainty what effects Karius may have had or how quick he may have been able to jump up. You will also not know how and when the effects might present themselves.

You also know nothing of Karius' travel plans, a holiday he probably booked months in advance, before we got to the final and yes, a place where he could get away as it's a big place and not many will recognize him as they don't follow proper football much. Once there of course the club would send them to their people. Why wouldn't they?

Like someone said in another thread, take of the tin foil hat and go out and play. Enjoy life a little but try not to fall off the edge.


I actually had a concussion playing football. Went off and was in hospital for three days.


Maybe you should've manned up a bit and carried on like Karius grin

No need for that.

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There’s also his sell on fee ! Maybe if it’s believed he had concussion we might get more for him than if it was just stupid blunders ? Who knows

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I won't be celebrating anything they do as I never do. But I also won't be making up wild conspiracies to rubbish them at every opportunity.

How's young Achterberg today anyway? You've not mentioned him for at least an hour? Maybe he was also once FSG's how to run a football club coach?


You're not even remotely suspicious about Karius and The Paid for Hospital FSG contribute to?



Not really. Why would I be? He was in America and went to a hospital known to the club for whatever reason. The club will always send their players to a place they know.

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FSG makes contributions to the hospital.

Possible concussion is not an exact science.

Why are FSG pushing the concussion agenda?

Possibly to defelect the fact that Karius let in three goals.

Work it out mate and change your profile picture please.

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Originally Posted By Markhutch1
FSG makes contributions to the hospital.

Possible concussion is not an exact science.

Why are FSG pushing the concussion agenda?

Possibly to defelect the fact that Karius let in three goals.

Work it out mate and change your profile picture please.


Wow that post was half legible.

And what’s wrong with my picture? Don’t you like Rooney?

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He let in 2 goals..........

If true re the injury then that creates a big issue... Why wasn't it picked up by the medic's at the time?


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Originally Posted By RafaB
He let in 2 goals..........

If true re the injury then that creates a big issue... Why wasn't it picked up by the medic's at the time?


Karius never stayed down, so the medics were not called on, so every one presumed he was ok, it happened after half time, so no one got to speak to him about it.

Seems to be he suffered the effects of the impact after the game, which is possible with concussion.

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Spanish doctor: Liverpool’s Karius diagnosed with ‘absurd medical criteria’, sports medics ‘blush’

By Sport Witness Team - 7th June 2018

In several months time, as the leaves start to fall off the trees and England winds down national celebrations after winning the World Cup, we’ll all still be talking about Loris Karius and what happened against Real Madrid.

Incidents during the match were the topic of much English discussion in the days following, but apart from the entire world wishing Mohamed Salah the best of health, the rest wasn’t really strongly covered.

That all changed when Massachusetts General Hospital published a diagnosis of concussion to Loris Karius, something which was stated as happening during the match and presented as a potential reason for the goalkeeper’s two mistakes.

Whatever the reason for publication, and the hospital said it was ‘in an effort to prevent, where possible, the dissemination of incomplete or erroneous information’ after ‘numerous calls’ were received, it hasn’t gone down universally well.

Whilst some are understandably using the whole situation as a platform to build arguments for better concussion awareness in football, others clearly don’t buy the whole thing.

On Wednesday, Marca, who had been letting the vilification of Sergio Ramos slide, had clearly had enough. It was stated Real Madrid have ‘coexisted as best they can in what they consider to be a campaign to discredit the impressive successes of recent years’, with the ‘Karius case and his concussion during the final being the final straw’.

At Madrid they believe it was an ‘image clean-up’ and ‘isn’t even medically accurate’.

AS, another Spanish newspaper, published an article detailing all the links between Liverpool and the Boston hospital, with the suggestion being something isn’t right.

On Thursday, the latter newspaper covers the situation again, with two articles on what happened with Karius. Firstly, they have stills of the match and insist Virgil van Dijk pushed Ramos and that’s how he ended up colliding with Karius, and then they have a column from a doctor.

Dr Jose Gonzalez is a regular in the newspaper. Whenever a player suffers an injury he gives his view and explanation of what happened and presents a prognosis.

His Thursday column is titled: ‘Karius: an absurd justification’

Gonzalez certainly isn’t afraid to question the US hospital and says their press release was ‘surprising’, adding ‘Even sports doctors blush when reading the statement’.

To make his opinion absolutely clear, Gonzalez goes on to say: ‘If they want to come out in defence of the player, it seems good, but not based on absurd medical criteria. After the alleged concussion he made two good saves, which clearly indicates that he had intact reflexes and there was no sign of concussion.

‘It was simply a child’s sporting failure, which completely conditioned his subsequent actions. In the first goal of Bale he made a normal sports gesture of a great goalkeeper, but failed to touch the ball. Reacted well and on time, but failed to avoid the goal. And in the second he was psychologically shattered. For me, as a sports doctor with many years of experience in this type of incident, all the symptoms referred to by Karius were psychosomatic, due to a failure of a beginner in a sporting event at the highest level.’

Doctors disagreeing isn’t a great development, but there’s more opinion from Italy.

Prof. Franco Benech, a Turin neurosurgeon who has worked with Juventus, is quoted by ANSA (Italy’s press association) as saying: “To certify a concussion there must also have been a small loss of consciousness, and then, I exclude that some doctors would have left a sportsman on the pitch under such conditions. It is not conceivable, concussive events cause a stretching of the fibres and a consequent loss of consciousness. It happened also to Juventus, with Nedved in a match against Real: immediately left the pitch.”


Meanwhile, Bild report Karius has been on Bora Bora island in the South Pacific, where hopefully he isn’t reading the European media.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/spanish-doctor...s-medics-blush/

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Must be true if the very reliable Spanish and Italian media are reporting it. FSG OUT!

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