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Re: John Achterberg...the man, the myth, the LEG end!
Pickles #604346 28/05/18 02:50 PM
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Oh yes you can Klopp4, most definitely. Anytime we have a shyte player in any position including in goal, and despite repeated failings, we persist with them, then you can blame the management. Karius blunders on Saturday is on Klopp first and foremost and on the owners after that, the buck stops there.

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Re: John Achterberg...the man, the myth, the LEG end!
Pickles #604348 28/05/18 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Pickles
The Guy came straight from retiring as a Goalkeeper at Tranmere Rovers in the 3rd tier to Coaching the reserves and Academy at Liverpool FC in 2009. He then gets made First Team Goalkeeping Coach in 2011 till the present day...I'd like to know just exactly why we have this Fella? There is NO success in his playing career which was at bang average Dutch clubs...FC Eindhoven currently in 2nd tier Dutch Football finishing the season 12th of 20 clubs...NAC Breda in the Top tier finishing 14th this season out of 18 clubs.

To date he has overseen our worst Goalkeeping stats since the 50's.

Again I would just like to see one worthwhile positive in him being with us?

Since he's been with us our Goals Allowed Average has increased by 13.5 Goals a season!




Mourinho hardly had a good playing career and neither did Bacon Face or Wenger so it's hardly relevant.

The simple fact is, you can't polish turd. Our keepers are just not up to it for where we all want us to be and no coach will change that.
Re: John Achterberg...the man, the myth, the LEG end!
TheMightyLFC #604351 28/05/18 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted By TheMightyLFC
Originally Posted By klopp4kop
So you've just ignored the fact that we've had a significantly worse defence, midfield and goalkeepers during Achterberg's time as a coach. Not to mention that pre-achterberg we had a defensively sound manager in Rafa.

We used to have Mascherano, Reina, Alonso, Gerrard, Hyppia, Carragher; they were all a solid unit; now we have Karius, Lovren, Henderson, Wiji

And you wonder why we concede more. Karius is a liability, it's not the coach's fault he cant polish a turd.


so what was he doing all this time? if he couldn't improve the keepers shouldn't he have gone to Klopp and said these two are no good? I very much doubt he did that.


But everyone knows Karius is [oops]. Why does he have to go to Klopp? Everyone at the club can see Karius is not up to par.
Re: John Achterberg...the man, the myth, the LEG end!
wilkij1975 #604352 28/05/18 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Pickles
The Guy came straight from retiring as a Goalkeeper at Tranmere Rovers in the 3rd tier to Coaching the reserves and Academy at Liverpool FC in 2009. He then gets made First Team Goalkeeping Coach in 2011 till the present day...I'd like to know just exactly why we have this Fella? There is NO success in his playing career which was at bang average Dutch clubs...FC Eindhoven currently in 2nd tier Dutch Football finishing the season 12th of 20 clubs...NAC Breda in the Top tier finishing 14th this season out of 18 clubs.

To date he has overseen our worst Goalkeeping stats since the 50's.

Again I would just like to see one worthwhile positive in him being with us?

Since he's been with us our Goals Allowed Average has increased by 13.5 Goals a season!




Mourinho hardly had a good playing career and neither did Bacon Face or Wenger so it's hardly relevant.

The simple fact is, you can't polish turd. Our keepers are just not up to it for where we all want us to be and no coach will change that.


I don't know a single coach in the world that would make Karius world class or even good enough. We've bought 2 mistake prone keepers, it cost us the title EPL in 2014 and it's cost us the UCL.
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