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Karius first goal was just bad decision making, i'm sure any coach in the world would be advising not to throw the ball out when the opposition CF can block it and kick it in the goal.
Karius may become a top GK in years to come, problem is at a club like Liverpool he cannot really grow and develop, as that means we lose games, we need someone to hit the ground running and win trophies.
With all the problems we've had with GK, we do need to take a look at Achterberg, as he doesn't seem to have improved the GK.
I think Reina was let go over his wage demands if I remember, he was due to join Barca after Valdes left, but Valdes stayed, but he didn't have a good last season and Rafa left, so he went to join Rafa at Napoli.
I disagree. I don't think any coach in the world will be giving that advice. I suspect that it falls into the category of common sense... it goes without saying. Any goalkeeper who needs to be told or coached to understand that must be quite dim and hence not up to the mark. I agree, might point was Achterberg cannot be blamed for a crazy in game decision by Karius, Karius makes too many stupid mistakes and takes risks when not required, a few time's he's done things and got away with it this season, unfortunately he got caught out in the CL final.
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Karius has made mistakes all season, what makes you think he will be a top goalkeeper?
two years on the bounce he's been a poor choice, you can't blame the management for that. You can't blame anyone else but the managemnt for continuing to put him in the first team.
'I was only in the game for the love of football - and I wanted to bring back happiness to the people of Liverpool.' Bill Shankly
'We should have made a signing or two in the last couple of transfer windows.' Vish
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Karius has made mistakes all season, what makes you think he will be a top goalkeeper?
two years on the bounce he's been a poor choice, you can't blame the management for that. You can't blame anyone else but the managemnt for continuing to put him in the first team. Yeah, of course, the management is to blame for including him in the first place. My point was that even if we change coaches etc, Karius will still remain a poor choice of a keeper.
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2 Questions...
1) Does anybody have any factual evidence to support why John Achterberg should continue as our First Team Goalkeeping Coach?
2) Why did the club bring in a Goalkeeping Consultant in February this year?
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Yeah, of course, the management is to blame for including him in the first place. My point was that even if we change coaches etc, Karius will still remain a poor choice of a keeper. We don't really know that for sure. The evidence provided in the opening post seems quite convincing. Gaolkeepers who appear poor when with us/under our coaches are thriving elsewhere. Of course there are other variable factors but there the gk coaching dept does seem to have a case to answer.
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Yeah, of course, the management is to blame for including him in the first place. My point was that even if we change coaches etc, Karius will still remain a poor choice of a keeper. We don't really know that for sure. The evidence provided in the opening post seems quite convincing. Gaolkeepers who appear poor when with us/under our coaches are thriving elsewhere. Of course there are other variable factors but there the gk coaching dept does seem to have a case to answer. Correlation doesn't mean causation, I don't think the evidence is convincing at all. Pre-Achterberg we had significantly better players in midfield and defence. I want to know who the fck is in charge of scouting [oops] goalkeepers like Mingolet and Karius.
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Does anybody have any factual evidence to support why John Achterberg should continue as our First Team Goalkeeping Coach?
Anybody??????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Yeah, of course, the management is to blame for including him in the first place. My point was that even if we change coaches etc, Karius will still remain a poor choice of a keeper. We don't really know that for sure. The evidence provided in the opening post seems quite convincing. Gaolkeepers who appear poor when with us/under our coaches are thriving elsewhere. Of course there are other variable factors but there the gk coaching dept does seem to have a case to answer. Correlation doesn't mean causation, I don't think the evidence is convincing at all. Pre-Achterberg we had significantly better players in midfield and defence. I want to know who the fck is in charge of scouting [oops] goalkeepers like Mingolet and Karius. Exactly. This is why laying the blame at some coach is ridiculous and a little if not very simplistic. Without all things being equal, we can't say for sure that it's down to him and him alone. Like you, I think our keepers are just not up to it.
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After 7 years at the helm, surely there must be something positive about John Achterberg's appointment?
And now we have a Coach Coaching the Coach...not very inspiring!
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Karius first goal was just bad decision making, i'm sure any coach in the world would be advising not to throw the ball out when the opposition CF can block it and kick it in the goal.
Karius may become a top GK in years to come, problem is at a club like Liverpool he cannot really grow and develop, as that means we lose games, we need someone to hit the ground running and win trophies.
With all the problems we've had with GK, we do need to take a look at Achterberg, as he doesn't seem to have improved the GK.
I think Reina was let go over his wage demands if I remember, he was due to join Barca after Valdes left, but Valdes stayed, but he didn't have a good last season and Rafa left, so he went to join Rafa at Napoli.
I disagree. I don't think any coach in the world will be giving that advice. I suspect that it falls into the category of common sense... it goes without saying. Any goalkeeper who needs to be told or coached to understand that must be quite dim and hence not up to the mark. I agree with that. Even as 12/13/14 yr old kids all goalkeepers will have seen this sort of thing happen either to them or an opponent and although it is rare their job is to ensure it doesn't happen.
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