KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum 6 final losses in a row for Klopp.

I feel for Klopp. He's never taken a team to the final and been the favorite. He constantly over achieves to get to a final and is then beaten by the better team each time.

We always seem to be the team that gets there against the odds. Last night everything went against us. Salah going off took away any fear Madrid had. Karius having one of those games he and we will never forget. It was the goal keeping equivalent of a hat trick of missed penalties.

It was similar to the Europa league final against Sevilla. They had the experience and we didn't. Why couldn't we get Ajax?

We need one of those finals that other teams get. Like arsenal against Hull. Utd against millwall. Once we have a decent cup we will have the belief.

Hopefully Keita and Fekir will add something. Chamberlain will be back and our bench will be something to look at when we are losing a game next time.

I used to think that Klopp's record of losses was perhaps a reflection of something lacking in his abilities. I now think there are simply two factors:

1. He has been coaching teams with less financial resources and getting the maximum out of them. In finals, he has come up against higher ranking teams, either financially or in their stage of development, and therefore he has been the underdog.

2. He always plays a positive game. He doesn't put a team out just to stifle the opposition and nick a result. He will guard against their strengths but will looks to let his own team play to its sterngths.

A combination of the above says to me that the 6 losses in a row is nothing more than a statistic.

The second point will be the contentious one though. Some will consider that to be naive. It's essentially the Result vs Performance/entertainment debate.

I'm not sure if Klopp needs to rethink but I have no complaints about our approach yesterday. I thought were were playing quite well until Ramos assasinated Salah. We were always on the back foot after that.

I thought Klopp should have brought on either Solanke or Ings as a replacement for Salah. I thought that at the time and it became clear as the match progressed.

Our bench was shocking.

They brought on asensio. Bale and kovacic. All of those players would be stars in our side. Not players to bring on the waste time

For a little as Lallana offered. He is a far better player than either of those 2

Not on last nights performance he isn't.

Lallana's been out all the season and was not match fit, a fully fit Lallana is a very good player.

The problem with Solanke & Ings is that they do not really fit into the way we play as a front 3, if it was the last 15 minutes and you need a goal its worth chucking them on, but 30 mins into the game at 0-0 I can see why Klopp didn't want to put 1 of them on, but preferred Lallana for his linking play and bolster midfield more rather than an out and out striker.

The problem is we had no real alternative on the bench for losing any of Mane, Firmino or Salah, which has been the problem all season, but until now we have got away with, that was when you needed someone like Fekir or Lemar on the bench ready to come on to replace Salah.

Anybody know why Ings wasn't on the bench ?

This isn't a Klopp bashing thread. I said he over achieves all the time.

He's never been the favorite to win the final.