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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
I'm not sure there's much of a tourist industry there what with Russia knocking on their door and all that. Doesn't excuse it though.


Probably on a level with the Syrian tourist industry I would think I would stick with Bognor Regis


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Have a look at https://www.flightradar24.com

Since Russia shot that airline down a few years ago, very few commercial airlines fly over the Ukraine, never mind to it.

Unfortunately, it's a pain in the ar5e to post photos on here otherwise I'd show you a screen.

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Originally Posted By TrueRed
Have a look at https:/[color:#FF0000]/www.flightradar24.com[/color]

Since Russia shot that airline down a few years ago, very few commercial airlines fly over the Ukraine, never mind to it.

Unfortunately, it's a pain in the ar5e to post photos on here otherwise I'd show you a screen.


I go on there regularly.
Fascinating, but bit hacked off that you can only use the 3D screen three times a month now for paupers like me that can't afford subscription membership

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I heard about this being done by the locals there last week somewhere. I hope that our club can get a few of these guys over to a home match sometime next season as a way of saying thank you.

Great to see that the true brotherhood of football supporters is alive and kicking.

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The fact is places like Kiev and Cardiff don't have the infrastructure to host such a prestigious event. UEFA have to shoulder blame here although I feel that organizations like UEFA and FIFA are filled with self serving bureaucrats more interested in feathering their own nests than the interests of the common working class fan. The "LIVE" Top level Football experience is being eroded away from the normal fan. Being pitch side is becoming impossible for the normal fan to afford such a lavish event without going into hock for it.

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Hundreds of seats could be empty for this Saturday's Champions League final after over 2,000 Real Madrid fans returned their tickets owing to concerns over lack of accommodation in Kiev and travel problems.
Real have reissued the returned tickets to supporters who were included in the original ballot, however it is feared that hundreds will remain unsold.
Liverpool have broached the issue with UEFA in hope of using the returned tickets, but the governing body's concerns over fan segregation means the situation has now hit an impasse.
Resale websites are offering tickets to Liverpool's Champions League final for up to £15,000 +2
Resale websites are offering tickets to Liverpool's Champions League final for up to £15,000
The Reds sold out their allocation of 16,626 seats but now hundreds of tickets are available on resale websites.
One seat in a corner of Kiev's Olympic Stadium, with a face value of £281, is advertised for almost £15,000. Some VIP packages cost over £20,000.
James McKenna, spokesman for Liverpool fan group Spirit of Shankly, told The Times: 'If there are any empty seats at the final in Kiev it should be a wake-up call for UEFA. It should be a wake-up call for them anyway.
'This has been a debacle and it is down to the choices made by UEFA about the location of the final and the ticket prices.
'If you are a Real Madrid fan being offered one of these returned tickets for €300 (£263) to €400 (£351), with no possibility now of flying to Kiev and hugely expensive accommodation — if there is any — then you can understand why they might say "No thanks".'

UEFA have announced that this Saturday's showpiece will be the last chosen before its new bidding system of allocating finals is introduced.
In the future, stadia must meet certain criteria, including ample accommodation and airport capacity, before it can host a final.
There are 29 charter flights heading from Liverpool to Kiev, however there are no more landing slots available even if Reds supporters are able to get their hands on tickets through resale websites.
There are 29 charter flights from Liverpool to Kiev, but no more landing slots are available +2
There are 29 charter flights from Liverpool to Kiev, but no more landing slots are available
Some fans have been forced into plotting a round-the-houses journey to get to the Ukrainian capital, including through neighbouring countries, some of which require separate visas, or flying into the coastal city of Odessa, 300 miles away from Kiev.
Others will undertake an arduous coach journey from Liverpool to Kiev, which will take five days there and back.
These are the decisions Liverpool fans must make if they are somehow able to purchase a ticket for the weekend. On website Ticketbis on Monday, the cheapest seat in Liverpool's section, face value £140, was priced at £1,181.
'The situation is ridiculous,' Liverpool fan Neil Atkinson told the BBC. 'People who don't support either club will end up with tickets and look at it as an opportunity to make money.'
Liverpool warned supporters that 'under no circumstances should tickets for the final be purchased from unofficial sources. The club is aware of instances of tickets being sold at extortionate prices.'

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The professional game is quite simply, corrupt and a pit for stealing money one way or another.
Disgusting

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Originally Posted By Growler
The professional game is quite simply, corrupt and a pit for stealing money one way or another.
Disgusting


Don't think it's anything new except that with social media and internet it's better communicated. I don't remember when black market tickets were not around for example

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