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Salah's first season has been much better than Luis', so if you want to compare like with like, then of course Salah is well ahead. However, Luis constantly improved, so we'll need to wait for a couple of season to really compare, but over the first season only, Salah for me.

Salah because he is at the club.

I am Barnes biggest fan and for sheer enjoyment he was the best I have ever seen but I don't think he quite had the talent of Suarez

Good assessment of Luis. There were games where he was doing the work of three players and scoring goals too.

I dont think we will ever see anther Suarez.

You are right unlike some old farts who can't even see well enough now to compare with the past players

always good to have differences of opinion about players as it leads to good debate...I was the person who brought John Barnes up...the reason I say he was the best player to play for the club is based on this...if you look at what makes a footballer you have to asses the fundemental things a player must have, pass...head...tackle...score...dribble etc and that's without taking into consideration decision making, intelligence and team play also temperament....I will challenge any poster to tell me who had better scores for all these categories than Digger...Suarez was a fine player for us but fell short with heading, speed and more importantly temperment...don't want to take anything away from Suarez ability but I find it incredible people can put Suarez ahead of Barnes...or even Gerrard for that matter...

Barnes did have a problem with weight and he was one for the ladies and nightlife in Liverpool. I can't be critical of him though he was the best player I had ever seen in red shirt for entertainment and I have seen quite a few over 50 plus years of going to anfield

Barnes was amazing for sure, and he was definitely faster. Suarez was a better goalscrorer though, and while Digger didn't exactly shirk tracking back, you wouldn't see him snapping at opposition players' heels as tirelessly as Suarez did. Suarez had the workrate of 3 players and I don't know how many goals he created from robbing opposition players in their own half.

I don't think you can say he lacked game intelligence or teamplay either. He was something of a mad [oops] with the things he would try, but he was a genius. Great passer, and endlessly creative. He basically handed Dirk Kuyt a hattrick on a plate at Old Trafford. He wasn't exctly slow, although he wasn't the paciest, but his runs were so very clever his pace was never an issue. He dragged defenders around the pitch. He made players around him better too. Raheem Sterling and Daniel Sturridge owe a fair amount of their careers to that season with him, and Gerrard had a renaissance moving deeper into the midfield with Sarez's mazy runs up front.

we might have our wires a bit crossed here Stan, you see when I talk about Barnes I am talking about John Barnes the winger and forward, not the one after he ruptured his Achilles on a rock hard pitch playing for England in Helsinki who then went back into central midfield unable to maintain his pace...he was the John Barnes who struggled with weight issues certainly not the winger Barnes who was a perfect specimen of a footballer.
Steven Gerrard did push him close though as he was a fine player however I do feel Gerrard looked better than he was due to playing alongside rubbish, it made him shine brighter than he would playing for a top team alongside class players but again, don't want to take anything away from Gerrard as he was an excellent player and servant who bailed us out on many a big occasion....

Ask David Burrows or Stan Staunton if Barnes got back and defended, as for goal scoring, Barnes played on the wing not centre forward and the season he did play up from he topped the scoring charts.
As for temperment I think only people who were around to witness what John Barnes went through could understand what it was like..he was a catylist for modern black players and people like Ian Wright, Les Ferdinand, and Rio Ferdinand will vouch for that.
The game experience was there for all to see even Digger moved back into midfield after injury, he was the main man in the Fowler, Redknapp, McManaman and Collymore team, not many could control play like him, the Newcastle 4-3 game prime example especialy the final collymore goal..