|
|
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 18,913
1st Team Regular
|
|
1st Team Regular
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 18,913 |
Meanwhile, True Reds thread has been bolloxed up cus of that reptile.
Soz mate
Last edited by Growler; 08/03/18 06:44 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
|
swapshop
Unregistered
|
|
swapshop
Unregistered
|
ok let's talk about Istanbul...somebody mentioned about Wigan not wanting to swap there cup final win even tho they got relagated because they would never win the cup again...we that same logic applies to us with the Champions league as we will never again win that....if you are a so called big Club Winning like we did in Istanbul is not worth a carrot unless you build on it or use it as a springboard to better things....we did neither...from that point of view Istanbul was meaningless....if you said to a United fan, Madrid, Barca or Man City you can win in Istanbul like us but for the next thirteen years you would only win two domestic trophies would they settle for that....deffo not.... If you look at the squad Rafa built on the back of that CL win it was miles better than the one that won the CL objectively. We also went on to drastically improve in the league and get to another CL final. Hicks and Gillette's money dried up though meaning rafa had to spend too much time looking around the bargain bin for players in the subsequent seasons. we didnt almost go into administration because we won the CL, for an entity as big as liverpool with such recent European and domestic success, that only happens due to serious mismanagement and serious failings by the ownership. But again, why do i need to lecture a supposed fellow liverpool supporter on well known recent history? Is it because you're glossing over these very important points in an attempt to denigrate one of the greatest football moments of all time, namely the Istanbul final? Probably. Whatever [oops] unremarkable club you really yourself to, whether that's the mancs or the blueshite will never have a moment like that. You can keep dreaming though. Liverpool are on the march back up. It's taken awhile, and its still slow progress...but progress it is. You can continue to futilely [oops] and moan about it as your whining gets hollower and hollower with each step that is made. Or you can just accept it. Move on. Maybe concentrate on the mediocre aspirations of your own nothing club. Maybe next year they can consolidate a consistent top 10 finish away from the threat of relegation. Hicks and Gillette spent serious money out at the time so you can't blame them for us not building on Istanbul, Torres...20m...Babel...11m...Mascherano...18m...Dossena...7m...Keane...19m...Reira...8m..Johnson...17.5m...Aquellani...17m...Miereles...11.5m.... Not saying they were perfect owners but what I am saying is they provided funds to be able to build on Istanbul which they never. I am not taking anything away from Istanbul as it has different meanings for different people but for me I seen it as a lost opportunity to get back amongst things which we never...we only have managed three second place finishes in the League since never mind first which says it all....for a so called big Club...Istanbul has proved meaningless in terms of helping the the club on the pitch but memory wise it's been fantastic it's up to people to decide which they think is more important...the memories or what it's done for you on the pitch since we won it, I think Istanbul in some ways has become a milestone around the clubs neck as it's created an expectation and pressure we possibly can't match due to our rivals being bigger clubs...much like winning the World Cup has proved with England since 1966 which has proved another milestone everytime they play in a competition...England fans think they should win it...
|
|
|
|
|
|
swapshop
Unregistered
|
|
swapshop
Unregistered
|
ok let's talk about Istanbul...somebody mentioned about Wigan not wanting to swap there cup final win even tho they got relagated because they would never win the cup again...we that same logic applies to us with the Champions league as we will never again win that....if you are a so called big Club Winning like we did in Istanbul is not worth a carrot unless you build on it or use it as a springboard to better things....we did neither...from that point of view Istanbul was meaningless....if you said to a United fan, Madrid, Barca or Man City you can win in Istanbul like us but for the next thirteen years you would only win two domestic trophies would they settle for that....deffo not.... If you look at the squad Rafa built on the back of that CL win it was miles better than the one that won the CL objectively. We also went on to drastically improve in the league and get to another CL final. Hicks and Gillette's money dried up though meaning rafa had to spend too much time looking around the bargain bin for players in the subsequent seasons. we didnt almost go into administration because we won the CL, for an entity as big as liverpool with such recent European and domestic success, that only happens due to serious mismanagement and serious failings by the ownership. But again, why do i need to lecture a supposed fellow liverpool supporter on well known recent history? Is it because you're glossing over these very important points in an attempt to denigrate one of the greatest football moments of all time, namely the Istanbul final? Probably. Whatever [oops] unremarkable club you really yourself to, whether that's the mancs or the blueshite will never have a moment like that. You can keep dreaming though. Liverpool are on the march back up. It's taken awhile, and its still slow progress...but progress it is. You can continue to futilely [oops] and moan about it as your whining gets hollower and hollower with each step that is made. Or you can just accept it. Move on. Maybe concentrate on the mediocre aspirations of your own nothing club. Maybe next year they can consolidate a consistent top 10 finish away from the threat of relegation. Hicks and Gillette spent serious money out at the time so you can't blame them for us not building on Istanbul, Torres...20m...Babel...11m...Mascherano...18m...Dossena...7m...Keane...19m...Reira...8m..Johnson...17.5m...Aquellani...17m...Miereles...11.5m.... Not saying they were perfect owners but what I am saying is they provided funds to be able to build on Istanbul which they never. I am not taking anything away from Istanbul as it has different meanings for different people but for me I seen it as a lost opportunity to get back amongst things which we never...we only have managed three second place finishes in the League since never mind first which says it all....for a so called big Club...Istanbul has proved meaningless in terms of helping the the club on the pitch but memory wise it's been fantastic it's up to people to decide which they think is more important...the memories or what it's done for you on the pitch since we won it, I think Istanbul in some ways has become a milestone around the clubs neck as it's created an expectation and pressure we possibly can't match due to our rivals being bigger clubs...much like winning the World Cup has proved with England since 1966 which has proved another milestone everytime they play in a competition...England fans think they should win it... The [oops] you on about. You initially said that we never built on the cl success. Now you’re saying we did because we bought a better squad which is WHAT I SAID.. they provided funds, we then won a couple of domestic cups finished 2nd and reached another CL final. Then they STOPPED providing funds and nearly forced us into administration... what exactly is your point!? That success requires continued investment? Do you want a medal for that profound insight!? just not having the excuse that Hicks and Gillette were the reasons we never built on Istanbul when they did provide serious funds to compete...if you look at the quality in the team when Benitez was sacked you can clearly see the quality was there yet we finished about seventh. My point is unless you want to live of Istanbul for the next fifty years...Istanbul was a waste of time as we never built on it...simple really, just depends what way you choose to see it...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 23,084
Liverpool Legend
|
|
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 23,084 |
Hardly a waste of time experiencing that night in Istanbul unless you left at half time Noel.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,088
Under 23 Player
|
|
Under 23 Player
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 2,088 |
So what's better....qualifying for the Champions League for the next ten seasons and nothing else...or......winning three FA Cups and maybe four League Cups over the next ten seasons and not qualifying..simple enough question about what is the better return... Winning domestic cups is kinda nice to have something to cheer about the spectacle of seeing the team captain lift a trophy aloft is awesome. But the FA Cup and the League Cup have no real value compared to European match-ups. There is no reason we couldnt have won a cup this term if Klopp had not messed up team selections and tactics. And that would not hinder a decent run in the Champions League. And so it should be every season.
Last edited by chesterville; 08/03/18 10:19 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 27,628
Liverpool Legend
|
|
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 27,628 |
The club did not go bankrupt or to use the correct term for companies insolvent RBS would not refinance the loan because of the worldwide credit crunch you missed that quite important bit out. Had there not been the banking crash who knows where we would be now ?
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
|
|
|
|
|
|
swapshop
Unregistered
|
|
swapshop
Unregistered
|
So what's better....qualifying for the Champions League for the next ten seasons and nothing else...or......winning three FA Cups and maybe four League Cups over the next ten seasons and not qualifying..simple enough question about what is the better return... Winning domestic cups is kinda nice to have something to cheer about the spectacle of seeing the team captain lift a trophy aloft is awesome. But the FA Cup and the League Cup have no real value compared to European match-ups. There is no reason we couldnt have won a cup this term if Klopp had not messed up team selections and tactics. And that would not hinder a decent run in the Champions League. And so it should be every season. your right with your point...the problem we have is Klopp, he has decided we can't have both and that's why he dismisses the Cup competitions so readily...just check his domestic Cup record since he has been here. This season has been another disgrace with the season being over realistically in January again, what makes me laugh is people talking about an improvement...where exactly is this unless you are talking maybe moving up a place or two or a few more points...is this really how Liverpool Football Club...the Club built by Shanks, managed by Paisley gets judged on now and not by what trophies we win...very, very sad indeed. You know what saddens me even more...so called supporters buying into what the Club and Klopp tells them instead of using there own minds, don't you realise they are only telling you Champions League is the be all and end all for monetary purposes only, them and the players gain fans don't get a penny from the profits....anyway....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 844
Under 18 Player
|
|
Under 18 Player
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 844 |
So what's better....qualifying for the Champions League for the next ten seasons and nothing else...or......winning three FA Cups and maybe four League Cups over the next ten seasons and not qualifying..simple enough question about what is the better return... Winning domestic cups is kinda nice to have something to cheer about the spectacle of seeing the team captain lift a trophy aloft is awesome. But the FA Cup and the League Cup have no real value compared to European match-ups. There is no reason we couldnt have won a cup this term if Klopp had not messed up team selections and tactics. And that would not hinder a decent run in the Champions League. And so it should be every season. your right with your point...the problem we have is Klopp, he has decided we can't have both and that's why he dismisses the Cup competitions so readily...just check his domestic Cup record since he has been here. This season has been another disgrace with the season being over realistically in January again, what makes me laugh is people talking about an improvement...where exactly is this unless you are talking maybe moving up a place or two or a few more points...is this really how Liverpool Football Club...the Club built by Shanks, managed by Paisley gets judged on now and not by what trophies we win...very, very sad indeed. You know what saddens me even more...so called supporters buying into what the Club and Klopp tells them instead of using there own minds, don't you realise they are only telling you Champions League is the be all and end all for monetary purposes only, them and the players gain fans don't get a penny from the profits....anyway.... I think you’re the one saying all these. Klopp and the club have not. The team Klopp played when we went out were good enough to win. It’s not like he fielded the youth squad. Good grief. Next you’ll blame the tea lady for us failing to win.
Last edited by elimmel; 09/03/18 03:25 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Liverpool Legend
|
|
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926 |
The club did not go bankrupt or to use the correct term for companies insolvent RBS would not refinance the loan because of the worldwide credit crunch you missed that quite important bit out. Had there not been the banking crash who knows where we would be now ? But there was a banking crash and the club was not credit worthy. On top of that, no sugar daddy seemed intetested
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 58
Under 16 Player
|
|
Under 16 Player
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 58 |
I read the 1st couple of lines of the post(s) referred to and as the song goes "I've got a feeling" sprang to mind alright,I think the secret is to move away from the thread in question as its as obvious as day that winding people up is the ultimate goal here zzzzzzzz #GetALife
|
|
|
|
|