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So you’re conceding then?

That you’re conceding? Fine that’s what you’re doing.

What question have you asked? Because I don't see it. I see a back of forth of sophmoric insults towards and from you, which I have tried to avoid participating in. You called other posters glory hunters for supporting Liverpool, and I presented a counter argument twice, which you have avoided.

I see you talking about your "alternative viewpoints," but piecing that together takes some doing, other than you not liking OOT fans.

You say one minute that Liverpool should be aiming for the title, that settling for less is shameful, and in the same breath you laugh at fans who say that is their expectation.

You say you like this forum, but you insult almost everyone here for being OOT gloryhunters (even though the guy who started it was born in Yorkshire and lives in spain).

So what is the question you want answered? What is it you really believe?

He’s just a fukking wum. He’s either a manc or a bitter bluenose. He doesn’t have a clue what he says from one minute to the next as he ties himself in contradictions while spinning his wind up yarns. He’s fukking pathetic and has ruined the forum yet again.

Wibble

The thing about glory Hunters is always brought up by everton fans.

The main reason is that the everton fans wish they were smart enough to support a club that wins things

Wibble

Are you aware that the man who started this site is from Yorkshire, not Liverpool? Is he a glory hunter for supporting Liverpool and not Leeds?

Now me, I am a foreigner. My family never watched football, and knew noting about it, but I had fallen in love with the game. I started supporting Liverpool 14 years ago when I was still a child because there wasn't a professional team in Georgia at the time, and I had English coaches growing up, my favorite of whom was a scouser. I loved the game and wanted to watch the English play (the English game was the be all end all to us Americans back then). He told me that to improve, I needed to watch the game at the highest level, and it would be easier to do that if I had a team to root for. He was a red, and he was my hero, so Liverpool became my team. I didn't know anything about their history or their stature, I didn't know if they were any good, I just wanted to be like my coach. I later immersed myself in the history and learned those things which solidified my feelings about the team, and I greatly admired Steven Gerrard, and he was always the player I wanted to emulate.

I also had friends and teammates who supported other clubs growing up who watched the game, and it was difficult for someone like me who wasn't very wealthy to watch professional matches back then in America, unless I knew someone who had a fancy satellite tv package. The friends I had with access to such things at the time usually often chose Manchester United, Chelsea, or maybe Arsenal because they were winning at the time, and I got plenty of stick, especially because most of them chose United. But I had my heart set on Liverpool, and I stuck by them, though supporting Chelsea or United might have been easier on my nerves if I were a glory hunter. It's gotten much easier to watch games here in the past 10 years or so, so my time following LFC most closely has been the period of its biggest decline since before Shanks. Is that glory hunting?

Now during my time as a fan, Liverpool have had some success, but they have never won a league in my lifetime (Born in 1991). Meanwhile, United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Leicester, and even Blackburn rovers have won it. There was the Champions league in 2005, the treble in 2001, and the odd cup success, but in my lifetime United have been more successful in Europe than us (one Europa League and 2 European Cups) and Chelsea have been just as successful (1 European cup and a Europa League). Does a glory hunter choose Liverpool under the circumstances?

Now you, you were born in different circumstances than me. You were born a city with two great football clubs, with access to the game I couldn't have even dreamed of as a kid. You had two choices, and you mentioned you had bluenoses as family, but you (or by extension your other family members) chose Liverpool because as you said "they provided me with plenty of highs and not too many lows." You had two choices in your backyard, and you picked the more successful one. So who's the glory hunter, me or you? That isn't an intended insult. A question in the same tone as yours.

As for your question, the landscape of football would change for sure. But football has been broken for a long time. There is a lot of romance around the notion of supporting a local club, watching it grow to a team capable of challenging the top, but the system of promotion and relegation is rigged to favor bigger teams. It always has been, but as time has gone on, the gap has grown and the Derby Counties and Nottingham Forests of the world don't rise up and unless there is a very wealthy benefactor. The hegemony will either continue as it is, or the system will have to change like the American model with a draft system, salary caps, and checks and balances to help the under performing teams.

anyother thread ruined by that wan*er

Not really. Just stating what you are. Besides, I like dealing with glory hunting mugs.