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The midfield discrepancy btw us and spurs was just ridiculous today. Henderson Milner Can just arent good enough for where we want to be. In the second half those 3 didnt get anywhere near the ball while spurs just played us off the park.
The manner of which we conceded the penalty was disappointing but based on play we were lucky we didnt end up getting battered. We need to buck up start getting some wins in as spurs look in great form at the moment. In the first half, our midfielders outplayed them. I think it is somehow our front three failed to organise counter attackers cost us the game. With the spaces of Spurs in the defence, I believe our front three could do a lot better in a few occasions. What do you mean we outplayed them, I would rather say we defended well leaving them possession. We didn't play in the 2nd half and they deserved to draw, we scored 2 from a great Salah.
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The substitutions were dire, and the lack of quality in our passing and crosses tell its own story. We missed Coutinho today. We should have got the second goal when we had breakaways, both in the first and second half. Salah was guilty of picking the wrong pass on at least two occasions which would have led to clear chances. It's difficult to criticise him though for obvious reasons. Someone like Coutinho would have had a field day in playing through balls today but none of our midfield have the vision to do it. I didn't understand any of the subs, least of all taking Milner and Hendo off. Oxlade-Chamberlain was terrible and to blame for Wanyama's goal and Wijnaldum, well, did he even touch the ball? He was playing in his invisibility coat again. Agree that Coutinho would have been perfect in such a game as he can beat players and make great passes. Didn't understand our changes, ok Henderson had to be given some rest but why remove Mane, Ox should have joined in the middle, he is no good on the left. Clear that we don't have any depth in front now, Firmino looked jaded but there was nobody good enough to replace him whereas Spurs changes made the difference. With our thin squad, it would be a huge achievement to get top 4 and do well in CL.
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The substitutions were dire, and the lack of quality in our passing and crosses tell its own story. We missed Coutinho today. We should have got the second goal when we had breakaways, both in the first and second half. Salah was guilty of picking the wrong pass on at least two occasions which would have led to clear chances. It's difficult to criticise him though for obvious reasons. Someone like Coutinho would have had a field day in playing through balls today but none of our midfield have the vision to do it. I didn't understand any of the subs, least of all taking Milner and Hendo off. Oxlade-Chamberlain was terrible and to blame for Wanyama's goal and Wijnaldum, well, did he even touch the ball? He was playing in his invisibility coat again. Agree that Coutinho would have been perfect in such a game as he can beat players and make great passes. Didn't understand our changes, ok Henderson had to be given some rest but why remove Mane, Ox should have joined in the middle, he is no good on the left. Clear that we don't have any depth in front now, Firmino looked jaded but there was nobody good enough to replace him whereas Spurs changes made the difference. With our thin squad, it would be a huge achievement to get top 4 and do well in CL. I believe a few games ago you said Ox is better played as wing than the middle. If you have watched the game, you would realise that we were in a very bad situation before the change. Hendo needs a rest and Mane didnt have a click during the games. We need some fresh legs and we need someone who protect the ball better and that's why Gini is bought in. After that, Matip was also bought in and we changed our system to an 5-3-2 and Ox was moved back to the middle. To be honest, I think the changes make sense.
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The substitutions were dire, and the lack of quality in our passing and crosses tell its own story. We missed Coutinho today. We should have got the second goal when we had breakaways, both in the first and second half. Salah was guilty of picking the wrong pass on at least two occasions which would have led to clear chances. It's difficult to criticise him though for obvious reasons. Someone like Coutinho would have had a field day in playing through balls today but none of our midfield have the vision to do it. I didn't understand any of the subs, least of all taking Milner and Hendo off. Oxlade-Chamberlain was terrible and to blame for Wanyama's goal and Wijnaldum, well, did he even touch the ball? He was playing in his invisibility coat again. Agree that Coutinho would have been perfect in such a game as he can beat players and make great passes. Didn't understand our changes, ok Henderson had to be given some rest but why remove Mane, Ox should have joined in the middle, he is no good on the left. Clear that we don't have any depth in front now, Firmino looked jaded but there was nobody good enough to replace him whereas Spurs changes made the difference. With our thin squad, it would be a huge achievement to get top 4 and do well in CL. I believe a few games ago you said Ox is better played as wing than the middle. If you have watched the game, you would realise that we were in a very bad situation before the change. Hendo needs a rest and Mane didnt have a click during the games. We need some fresh legs and we need someone who protect the ball better and that's why Gini is bought in. After that, Matip was also bought in and we changed our system to an 5-3-2 and Ox was moved back to the middle. To be honest, I think the changes make sense. Read my post, I said he is no good on the left and when I said he was better on the wing, it was on the right wing not left. He is however not better than Salah on the right wing, you probably noticed. If the changes made sense according to you, how come we conceded?
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[quote=TiredReds][quote=Chris2402][quote=Hercules/AF 58]
I believe a few games ago you said Ox is better played as wing than the middle.
If you have watched the game, you would realise that we were in a very bad situation before the change.
Hendo needs a rest and Mane didnt have a click during the games.
We need some fresh legs and we need someone who protect the ball better and that's why Gini is bought in.
After that, Matip was also bought in and we changed our system to an 5-3-2 and Ox was moved back to the middle.
To be honest, I think the changes make sense. Read my post, I said he is no good on the left and when I said he was better on the wing, it was on the right wing not left. He is however not better than Salah on the right wing, you probably noticed. If the changes made sense according to you, how come we conceded? The philosophy of the changes is understandable and make sense. It is just the players came out cannot deliver the jobs they supposed to be good at. Ox supposed to be good in defence and a good presser. He supposed to be good at dribbling and have great pace that can possess counter attack. Expecially he was freshed when bought in at 60mins. Gini supposed to be one of the best in our midfield for possessions keeping. He is strong and he is good at hold up play too. The above were the reasons why the were being subbed in in the first place. However, both of them failed to deliver and failed to perform their usual role. You may question Klopp for why they cannot deliver but it is unfair to say the substitution didnt make sense. It make 100% sense expecially when you noticed Spurs were dominating and created a few chances in the first 15 mins in the second half. Besides, even Hendo and Milner or Mane were there, they could not do much to that two conceded. The last one was a very very soft peno and it is a dive by Lamela. If that guy didnt dive and get the peno, people will say Klopp had a masterstroke in substitution and won the game. Sometimes, subs ran in a different ways of your expectation or logic. Just like Poch, he brought in Wanyama to replace Dembele. What is the logic there? This sub made totally no sense. Dembele is a lot better in attacking and he brought in a DMC to replace another one with better skills and shooting when they need to score in the last quarter of the game? seriously? But Wanyama made the equaliser. Did Poch plan that?
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[quote=TiredReds][quote=Chris2402][quote=Hercules/AF 58]
I believe a few games ago you said Ox is better played as wing than the middle.
If you have watched the game, you would realise that we were in a very bad situation before the change.
Hendo needs a rest and Mane didnt have a click during the games.
We need some fresh legs and we need someone who protect the ball better and that's why Gini is bought in.
After that, Matip was also bought in and we changed our system to an 5-3-2 and Ox was moved back to the middle.
To be honest, I think the changes make sense. Read my post, I said he is no good on the left and when I said he was better on the wing, it was on the right wing not left. He is however not better than Salah on the right wing, you probably noticed. If the changes made sense according to you, how come we conceded? The philosophy of the changes is understandable and make sense. It is just the players came out cannot deliver the jobs they supposed to be good at. Ox supposed to be good in defence and a good presser. He supposed to be good at dribbling and have great pace that can possess counter attack. Expecially he was freshed when bought in at 60mins. Gini supposed to be one of the best in our midfield for possessions keeping. He is strong and he is good at hold up play too. The above were the reasons why the were being subbed in in the first place. However, both of them failed to deliver and failed to perform their usual role. You may question Klopp for why they cannot deliver but it is unfair to say the substitution didnt make sense. It make 100% sense expecially when you noticed Spurs were dominating and created a few chances in the first 15 mins in the second half. Besides, even Hendo and Milner or Mane were there, they could not do much to that two conceded. The last one was a very very soft peno and it is a dive by Lamela. If that guy didnt dive and get the peno, people will say Klopp had a masterstroke in substitution and won the game. Sometimes, subs ran in a different ways of your expectation or logic. Just like Poch, he brought in Wanyama to replace Dembele. What is the logic there? This sub made totally no sense. Dembele is a lot better in attacking and he brought in a DMC to replace another one with better skills and shooting when they need to score in the last quarter of the game? seriously? But Wanyama made the equaliser. Did Poch plan that? There was no need to take Mane off, he was still putting pressure on Spurs defence. I understand Hendo had to rest but not Mane. Poch made changes that paid off with Wanyama scoring and Lamella winning a penalty, do you think he made those changes for the sake of it? Of course he made those changes to score and it worked. Didn't you notice that their midfield had a second life when Wanyama replaced a hard working but probably tired player? How many times, even under Arsenal, have you seen Ox having a good game on the left wing?
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Not sure why people are saying that Spurs deserved a draw. Playing ok, or having possession does not not mean you deserve anything. You only deserve the points if you don't cheat and you get sufficient bona fide goals. Being evenly matched doesn't mean you deserve a draw. Good game though.
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The problem with Ox and Wifnaldum is that they flatter to deceive, they have no consistency, and you need that to represent Liverpool in these type of games. Ox gets a great press but that should fool no one, unless he develops considerably under Klopp, we'll be selling him off in a season or two. I sort of slightly wanted him to start yesterday due to his flash in the pan against City, but his inconsistency has proved me wrong on that one. Can Klopp develop him? Time will tell. As for Wijnaldum? Well he's not a CL level player, we should replace him in the summer. My hope of top 4 have dampened considerably now I'm afraid. Hope they can prove me wrong.
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I enjoyed the game as I thought it had everything, heard a good point made by I think it was Souey on the telly, he said Liverpool faded badly in the second half because it's impossible to play a high temp and press against superior teams for a whole game which seems valid.
I thought the goalkeeper could of maybe caught the first equisliser, thought VVD was poor again for the second equaliser and Mane the imposter was a disgrace again..,nothing more than a passanger and a one season wonder...by the way I gave him credit against Huddersfield. And hoped he turned a corner...got that wrong... VvD was our best defender clearing everything until the last second of the game and Mane despite not being himself was better that Ox who replaced him. Who put pressure on Dier who passed the ball to Salah for the first goal?
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The more I watch that second pen the more annoyed I get. It was NOT a penalty the diving little [oops]. Im getting sick of diving, its ruining the game. I hate seeing it from the opposition and I hate seeing it from liverpool players.
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