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FSG probably wouldn't sack Klopp if we finished 4th. And most people on here wouldn't want Klopp sacked even if we didn't get top 4.
However, there's a difference between finsihing 4th after competing, getting close and missing out.... and finishing 4th by scraping into 4th largely because the other contenders for 4th are worse.
The main thing though is that Klopp shows no signs of learning anything about how to improve the defence. We are only 6 points behind 2nd place. Given the forward line we have/had we should be much closer. But the failure to addreess the goalkeeping situation and the defence in 3 years has cost us. We have wasted yet another opportunity. Coutinho has gone and nobody will be surprised if Salah is targetted in the summer. Seems like most in here wanted him gone after 2 losses. But anyway, the buggest issue is, like you say, the failure to address the obvious and to persist with shitte. He hasn't looked like addressing it in the 5 transfer windows we've had so I don't see why he will in the future. Hopefully they'll bin him before the summer but if not you can bet your life that Migs will still be here and fighting with Karius for the number one spot and Moreno will be starting LB. We'll have bought about three more AM players though so all will be well. I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or this is what you feel. Well what's the point keeping him? He's won nothing for us and doesn't see and want to fix our main issue. Just get rid. No other top club would stand for this in a manager so why should we? You've suddenly changed your mind after the last game, last week you were saying all other teams lose to the weaker, park the bus, teams...
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Yeah, seemed brutal at the time but it made a difference. I can understand Rodgers sticking with Migs how he did as it was his buy. But why Klopp does is beyond me. Would any other top manager or club settle for that? At least now we might not see him again unless he gets ECL games. Not sure Karius is an upgrade but it's a risk worth taking. I don't think Klopp wants to stick with Mignolet, in fact he bought Karius to become number one but the latter was so bad that he had to move him to the bench after the Bornemouth game when we lost 4-3 after leading by 3-1 I think. He is trying again by making him number one recently. Well then feck them both off. Why persist with shitte that costs us points? Any other top manager or club would have by now.
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You've suddenly changed your mind after the last game, last week you were saying all other teams lose to the weaker, park the bus, teams...
I've seen the light.
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You know what...I've come to the conclusion that we'll only improve with a better manager. Klopp has taken us as far as he can but his refusal/inability to sort the team out defensively means we've peaked under him. It's not a case of us not having the financial support required - we've got a great record against the top teams. Beating the smaller teams is what we need to do in order to progress. That weakness can be resolved by coaching and/or identifying the right players to bring in. Expecting us to sign a couple of £80-£90m players just so we can beat the likes of Swansea is ridiculous. With the attack that we've got , coupled with a manager who knows how to defend, there is no-reason why we shouldn't be challenging for the title.
I love Klopp but he hasn't improved us over Rodgers' reign. We're going nowhere unless things change.
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Yeah, seemed brutal at the time but it made a difference. I can understand Rodgers sticking with Migs how he did as it was his buy. But why Klopp does is beyond me. Would any other top manager or club settle for that? At least now we might not see him again unless he gets ECL games. Not sure Karius is an upgrade but it's a risk worth taking. I don't think Klopp wants to stick with Mignolet, in fact he bought Karius to become number one but the latter was so bad that he had to move him to the bench after the Bornemouth game when we lost 4-3 after leading by 3-1 I think. He is trying again by making him number one recently. Why did Klopp declare Karius his number one then revert to playing Mignolet against WBA? If you have a definite number 1, stick with him every game.
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Yeah, seemed brutal at the time but it made a difference. I can understand Rodgers sticking with Migs how he did as it was his buy. But why Klopp does is beyond me. Would any other top manager or club settle for that? At least now we might not see him again unless he gets ECL games. Not sure Karius is an upgrade but it's a risk worth taking. I don't think Klopp wants to stick with Mignolet, in fact he bought Karius to become number one but the latter was so bad that he had to move him to the bench after the Bornemouth game when we lost 4-3 after leading by 3-1 I think. He is trying again by making him number one recently. Why did Klopp declare Karius his number one then revert to playing Mignolet against WBA? If you have a definite number 1, stick with him every game. His number 2 keeper is supposed to play in the FA cup
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There is zero point in rotating your keeper. It serves no purpose especially when you know everything you need to know about the two keepers. If Karius is to be our No. 1 then leave him to play in all comps. Get him some stability and consistancy and help him build an understanding with the back 4 (although they'll be rotated unecessarily too).
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There is zero point in rotating your keeper. It serves no purpose especially when you know everything you need to know about the two keepers. If Karius is to be our No. 1 then leave him to play in all comps. Get him some stability and consistancy and help him build an understanding with the back 4 (although they'll be rotated unecessarily too). I think he is not sure about Karius and if he doesn't give Mignolet games he will ask to leave. Maybe he will stop rotating after the transfer window. But yes, Klopp is really getting on my nerves now with Sturridge being sent on loan and we are not buying a striker. His mate Wagner is saying Aubameyang will be great in the EPL
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There is zero point in rotating your keeper. It serves no purpose especially when you know everything you need to know about the two keepers. If Karius is to be our No. 1 then leave him to play in all comps. Get him some stability and consistancy and help him build an understanding with the back 4 (although they'll be rotated unecessarily too). I think he is not sure about Karius and if he doesn't give Mignolet games he will ask to leave. Maybe he will stop rotating after the transfer window. But yes, Klopp is really getting on my nerves now with Sturridge being sent on loan and we are not buying a striker. His mate Wagner is saying Aubameyang will be great in the EPL Who cares if Mignolet wants to leave? The guy isn't good enough, everyone knows that. To continue to give his games which is detrimental to the club makes no sense at all. Two weeks ago Klopp declared Karius as our number 1, two games later and he's dropped, rotated or whatever you want to call it for Mignolet. It's ridiculous management. Other clubs have cup goalkeepers yes, but they don't chop and change their keepers in the league or Europe like we've been doing.
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There is zero point in rotating your keeper. It serves no purpose especially when you know everything you need to know about the two keepers. If Karius is to be our No. 1 then leave him to play in all comps. Get him some stability and consistancy and help him build an understanding with the back 4 (although they'll be rotated unecessarily too). I think he is not sure about Karius and if he doesn't give Mignolet games he will ask to leave. Maybe he will stop rotating after the transfer window. But yes, Klopp is really getting on my nerves now with Sturridge being sent on loan and we are not buying a striker. His mate Wagner is saying Aubameyang will be great in the EPL If not playing Migs makes him want to leave then there's the best reason not to play him. He's not good enough and never has been so replace him and move on. If he's not entirely confident with Karius then why buy him in the first place and why not ship him out too? It's beyond bonkers. As for Sturridge, he alone is no great loss. But we could end up really regretting not buying a striker. Like you and others said after Phil went, one of the best ways to re-ivest the money would have been in a striker. We have creativity in the side and a good striker in Firmino but if he gets injured or one of Mane or Salah or Ox, then we'll struggle. Not sure that Aubameyang would've been the answer as he does seem tainted with his attitude.
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