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Screw this whining. ooh deary me.. we aren't as good as or we can never repeat the great sides of the eighties. That is coward speak and I am sick and tired of the excuses.
If Leicester can win the Premier League with a good manager and a decent team that is full of guts, hard work and commitment, then we can do it too.
Fook what the others are doing! Are we mighty or are we pizz ants whining .. oooh ferminho is missing Cooties..oh dearie dearie me... oh Cooties says sweet happy bye bye to his chum and the club...
End of rant.
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Joined: Mar 2011
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Yeah, he made some good points and he always does and did, but to what end? I've never reported him or called for him to be banned for speaking the truth, but some here do, as it seems they'd prefer the ostrich approach to admitting and facing up to our ongoing reality. They hide behind what Stanley calls the 'pragmatic' approach, I.e. If the owners can't or don't want to invest in ambition then that's ok, we'll live with it type thing. That was never the Liverpool way, we have to compete across all areas including the transfer market, and we have to stop selling our best players, if we have the ambition to win anything worthwhile. If our owners won't or can't hold on to our best players while investing and competing in the market for the necessary calibre players, then we should all be calling for them to sell up, and give Amanda Stavely's clients a shot at it. They've had seven years of failure and IMO that's more than enough.
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Liverpool Legend
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Yeah, he made some good points and he always does and did, but to what end? I've never reported him or called for him to be banned for speaking the truth, but some here do, as it seems they'd prefer the ostrich approach to admitting and facing up to our ongoing reality. They hide behind what Stanley calls the 'pragmatic' approach, I.e. If the owners can't or don't want to invest in ambition then that's ok, we'll live with it type thing. That was never the Liverpool way, we have to compete across all areas including the transfer market, and we have to stop selling our best players, if we have the ambition to win anything worthwhile. If our owners won't or can't hold on to our best players while investing and competing in the market for the necessary calibre players, then we should all be calling for them to sell up, and give Amanda Stavely's clients a shot at it. They've had seven years of failure and IMO that's more than enough. So what are you doing about our situation? All you seem to be doing is moaning that people aren't doing anything and being pragmatic by tapping away on a keyboard.
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Joined: Mar 2009
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I wish we could lose Hendo.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Joined: Sep 2011
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For me it's not about my hopes for Liverpool dying but it's more about the sport itself dying.
Nowadays you have youngsters who haven't played a Premiership game earning in excess of £20k a week, an average player now seems to get £100k a week and the top players can be on anything over £200k a week. Have a think about those figures, it's laughable. What happened to youth players earning their keep through cleaning the kit, boots and so on? What incentive do young players have to improve and develop when they are already multi-millionaire's by the time they are 18?
You always have clubs stock-piling young talent in the hope that one of them will come good. The top clubs are signing players under the age of 10 now. Why can't our young footballers learn their trade in a lower league and earn a move? Why is it all on a plate from such a young age?
As for football in the Premiership, remember when you could actually tackle? Some of the best players we've seen in this country were proper hard central midfielders, they could all play but they could all tackle and most importantly take a tackle. Remember Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira? It was a sign of weakness if you stayed down injured after a challenge. Nowadays it's acceptable and almost applauded as 'gamesmanship' if players commit cynical fouls, deliberately get other professionals booked or sent off or win 'tactical fouls'.
The game of football now is a bit of a joke to me, it's almost a non-contact sport and unless you unearth a local lad players don't care about the clubs they represent or the fans who will always be the lifeblood of any club.
I love LFC, I love going to games, I love the atmosphere and will never stop following the club, but there are so much more important things in life. The sport should be embarrassed by how much players now earn and the fact that one player can be worth well over £100million. Imagine how much good that much money could do in the real world.
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Maybe one of the main problems we need to address is what can we do to stop the situation where a player reaches a certain playing standard with us and then one of the big clubs takes him off us, this is a big problem because we will never ever be able to build anything of more, the big clubs don't have this problem it just seems to be us middle to bottom clubs who lose their best players.
I think people thinking having a good manager will do the trick as whoever takes us over will still inherit this problem, if Pep or Jose was our manager they too would lose our best players once they improved to a certain level, this has been proved with Suarez, Sterling and now Coutinho all leaving....
What can be done.... Every club is a 'selling club' when the player forces the situation. ManU couldn't hold onto Ronaldo - Barca couldn't hold on to Neymar. It's part of football. Any hispanic player is going to prefer the culture of playing in Spain to that of England. Right now, Barca and Real can pry players away from anyone - but even they can occasionally lose players too. These two players are bad examples. Man U didn't have the finances to keep Ronaldo (plus they Glaziers needed the cash) and Neymar had his buy out clause triggered. Of course I don't know the numbers (just in case any pedantic tw@t wants me to quote) but I wouldn't be surprised if a more than half the premiership would move from their club if they could. Sanchez for starters.
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I wish we could lose Hendo. Drop him off at New Brighton one evening. Plenty of seagulls there ...
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Joined: Dec 2010
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Maybe one of the main problems we need to address is what can we do to stop the situation where a player reaches a certain playing standard with us and then one of the big clubs takes him off us, this is a big problem because we will never ever be able to build anything of more, the big clubs don't have this problem it just seems to be us middle to bottom clubs who lose their best players.
I think people thinking having a good manager will do the trick as whoever takes us over will still inherit this problem, if Pep or Jose was our manager they too would lose our best players once they improved to a certain level, this has been proved with Suarez, Sterling and now Coutinho all leaving....
What can be done.... Every club is a 'selling club' when the player forces the situation. ManU couldn't hold onto Ronaldo - Barca couldn't hold on to Neymar. It's part of football. Any hispanic player is going to prefer the culture of playing in Spain to that of England. Right now, Barca and Real can pry players away from anyone - but even they can occasionally lose players too. These two players are bad examples. Man U didn't have the finances to keep Ronaldo (plus they Glaziers needed the cash) and Neymar had his buy out clause triggered. Of course I don't know the numbers (just in case any pedantic tw@t wants me to quote) but I wouldn't be surprised if a more than half the premiership would move from their club if they could. Sanchez for starters. Numbers please.
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Maybe one of the main problems we need to address is what can we do to stop the situation where a player reaches a certain playing standard with us and then one of the big clubs takes him off us, this is a big problem because we will never ever be able to build anything of more, the big clubs don't have this problem it just seems to be us middle to bottom clubs who lose their best players.
I think people thinking having a good manager will do the trick as whoever takes us over will still inherit this problem, if Pep or Jose was our manager they too would lose our best players once they improved to a certain level, this has been proved with Suarez, Sterling and now Coutinho all leaving....
What can be done.... Every club is a 'selling club' when the player forces the situation. ManU couldn't hold onto Ronaldo - Barca couldn't hold on to Neymar. It's part of football. Any hispanic player is going to prefer the culture of playing in Spain to that of England. Right now, Barca and Real can pry players away from anyone - but even they can occasionally lose players too. These two players are bad examples. Man U didn't have the finances to keep Ronaldo (plus they Glaziers needed the cash) and Neymar had his buy out clause triggered. Of course I don't know the numbers (just in case any pedantic tw@t wants me to quote) but I wouldn't be surprised if a more than half the premiership would move from their club if they could. Sanchez for starters. Numbers please. We already knew it! 
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