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Hercules/AF 58 #588237 22/12/17 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Migs looks like another nervous wreck IMO. It's a real bad ass situation this, having a nervous keeper behind a nervous centre back equals recipe for a jittery shittery defence, and when you put this together with a manager who only wants to look at attack it's a behind the sofa experience every time.


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FSG would make a killing at Halloween if they did a film just on our goals conceded during their time. They could put the Psycho - Norman Bates shower scene music on in the background!

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We can't even blame last nights collapse on Lovren, I thought he did ok, Gomez was ball watching, Migs hands turned to smoke again and Ozil's goal was just a very good move from Arsenal.

ecnirp98 #588314 23/12/17 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
We can't even blame last nights collapse on Lovren, I thought he did ok, Gomez was ball watching, Migs hands turned to smoke again and Ozil's goal was just a very good move from Arsenal.


Yep as I said if it's not Lovren it's Mignolet or Moreno or Klavan or TAA or Gomez. Don't know if it's our player or our non organisation at the back that makes them panic and make mistakes

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We can't even blame last nights collapse on Lovren, I thought he did ok, Gomez was ball watching, Migs hands turned to smoke again and Ozil's goal was just a very good move from Arsenal.


Yep as I said if it's not Lovren it's Mignolet or Moreno or Klavan or TAA or Gomez. Don't know if it's our player or our non organisation at the back that makes them panic and make mistakes


Yeah most of our key defenders.... Migs, Moreno, Lovren all have a rick in them, so it's the law of averages that one of them drops a b*llock every couple of games, while we play these players, it will continue, these are all experienced players, so I do not think they can be coached/improved, it's a simple equation:

Better players = less mistakes

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Agreed ecnirp, better players = less mistakes. I think Klopp knows that and tried to fix things by targeting Salah, Naby and VvD along with the Ox and young Robertson last summer, he only got three of these targets and what a difference that made! We can only imagine what might have happened had he got all five?
Having said that however, most here would likely agree he erred by only targeting one half back and a left full back, instead of seeking two half backs and a goalkeeper. Defence is where the real need is. I've been arguing for yonks that we need a complete rebuild at the back, we need to rebuild our defence from the goalposts out. Putting in one defender at a time will only result in contamination.

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Yep, it's a real shame Klopp didn't get all his targets, it would have been a real improvement for the team, one of Klopps real strengths appears to be he can spot a player, most of his buys have turned out well and have improved the team. The problem players have been the ones he 'inherited' like Moreno, Lovren & Migs.

Gomez made a bad mistake yesterday, but he will learn from that, Gomez has been one of the finds of the season for us, with him coming back and looking so composed, Robertson has also impressed, he looks comfortable and doesn't do crazy stuff and put the fear of god in me like Moreno does, the other players also look more comfortable with his play, as he provides more cover and doesn't do the crazy Moreno positioning/runs.

EnergisedReds #588326 23/12/17 03:45 PM
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Moreno, Robertson, and Gomez (aprart from his obvious mistake) have been fine. They have not earned beign bombed out. Lovren and Migs have had their chances though.

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I don't think Moreno has been fine. He's just like Migs. He's had a good run but he's never too far away from a clanger. Didn't he have a nightmare against Sevilla?


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Yes he had. That's the game he went back to his usual level.

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