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Two of those draws are down to Chelsea being lucky as [oops] with that Willian goal, and Everton being lucky as [oops] with that very soft penalty given. This is the type of attitude that I don't agree with. These type of results happen way too often to be branded lucky. The Everton game was yet another mistake from Lovren, a man whose whole Liverpool career has been a disaster, yet Klopp refuses to replace him, instead rewarding him with a new contract! So whether you want to believe it or not Klopp's persistence with Lovren will continue to cost us points. The team selections against both Chelsea and Everton were strange, we rested key players in both but were full strength against Brighton, surely it should have been the other way round? As you say we should have won both games but we didn't, how many times have we said that during Klopp's tenure? Ok so what do you call that Chelsea goal then? Was Willian's miss-hit cross klopps fault as well? What do you call Mane's failure to square the ball when we were 1-0 up in the 1st half against Everton? Was that Klopp's fault as well? When oh when will he ever learn that Mane (one of our best players) is sometimes going to make the wrong decision? When oh when is Klopp going to learn that mis-hit crosses are going to cost us games sometimes. Please. Like I said. 10 games. 7 wins. 3 draws. 2 of the draws were unlucky. That's football. If you want to throw the baby out with the bath water when things in football don't go 100% our way then I'm afraid you're part of a much bigger problem at LFC. Klopp isnt immune to criticism. I agree his substitutions could be better. But come on mate, the Sky isnt exactly falling considering recent results is it? You make your own luck on the whole yeah. But sometimes, just sometimes, teams just get lucky. That's what happened for Chelsea. It's also what happened against Everton. That isnt complicated at all. It's actually very simple. As you agreed you make your own luck. Willian's goal might have been lucky but Chelsea was pushing and dominating and we got our change too late. Against Everton too the change was not the right one. Now if Salah felt something then Coutinho should have been introduced on the left, Mane moved to the right for Salah and Firmino on for useless Solanke. Klopp is usually very bad at changes. A one goal lead was not enough, Klopp has to know that.
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Ok so what do you call that Chelsea goal then? Was Willian's miss-hit cross klopps fault as well? What do you call Mane's failure to square the ball when we were 1-0 up in the 1st half against Everton? Was that Klopp's fault as well? When oh when will he ever learn that Mane (one of our best players) is sometimes going to make the wrong decision? When oh when is Klopp going to learn that mis-hit crosses are going to cost us games sometimes. Please. Like I said. 10 games. 7 wins. 3 draws. 2 of the draws were unlucky. That's football. If you want to throw the baby out with the bath water when things in football don't go 100% our way then I'm afraid you're part of a much bigger problem at LFC. Klopp isnt immune to criticism. I agree his substitutions could be better. But come on mate, the Sky isnt exactly falling considering recent results is it?
You make your own luck on the whole yeah. But sometimes, just sometimes, teams just get lucky. That's what happened for Chelsea. It's also what happened against Everton. That isnt complicated at all. It's actually very simple.
I'm part of the problem? Here's an idea for you, when someone tries to engage or debate with you, how about you respond in a manner that doesn't involve petty insults or abuse? Is that possible? Chelsea were easily the better team against us at Anfield, the goal was flukey yes but it had been coming so were we unlucky not to win, no we weren't. Hiding behind the 'unlucky' card gets you absolutely no where. We'll have our fair share of luck this season as well so when that happens will you defend the other team and say how unlucky they were? For the record, not that you asked because anyone who disagrees with you is a problem apparently, I think we are actually improving but Klopp's blind loyalty to Dejan Lovren is a massive problem, his failure to buy a proper centre half a goalkeeper is actually embarrassing given how many points and games those positions constantly cost us! But I guess that's unlucky as well?
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Also, his team selection against Everton was very strange, Coutinho had scored 5 goals in his previous 2 games and was on fire, Firmino had scored 3 goals in his last 2 games and was taken off on 70 minutes against Spartak. Why 'rest' two of our form players in a Derby? Yes we dominated the game, yes they got a soft penalty but what's the reality, they got a point at Anfield despite contributing absolutely nothing to the game.
As I've said before complacency cost Liverpool that game and that is down to the manager as well as the players. I can lambast Lovren all day about how many mistakes and points he costs us, but does he pick the team and keep choosing himself?
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[quote=Mr Bojangles]He needs to learn proper quick that half the team are dog Shiite and we need a few people who aren't complete liabilities every other game.
Mignolet Lovren Moreno Henderson
Id probably include Klavan but he's backup at best.
Those 4 players can't even do the basics right. Goalkeeper who cannot stop making mistakes. Defenders like Moreno who has defending about 8th on his lost of things to do that day. Lovren..... Jesus fukking Christ. If I was in training with him I'd snap his legs every session so the cvnt can't play. He's that kid in class who is a kn0b so the whole class has to stay behind. And then there is our captain. So boring. So uninspiring. So shiit. He had one good season when Rodgers was here and he's been stealing a living ever since. How he had lasted Dalglish Rodgers and Klopp is astounding.
An accurate assessment I reckon. When the fab four up front are banging in goals, the "pretenders" you mention can get away with being shtye because it is forgotten in the yippee factor.
I cant figure out why a manager is in such denial about these guys he sees on the pitch and in training. Plus, even if he thinks they are world class and are worthy of a place in the first 11, why the feck hasn't he signed players who can cover for them when they are tired or injured?
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Salah might be rested tonite, and i think Solanke as promising as he is, has been given a fair chance and has done nothing so far, i think Sturridge could've done more.
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[quote=Mr Bojangles]He needs to learn proper quick that half the team are dog Shiite and we need a few people who aren't complete liabilities every other game.
Mignolet Lovren Moreno Henderson
Id probably include Klavan but he's backup at best.
Those 4 players can't even do the basics right. Goalkeeper who cannot stop making mistakes. Defenders like Moreno who has defending about 8th on his lost of things to do that day. Lovren..... Jesus fukking Christ. If I was in training with him I'd snap his legs every session so the cvnt can't play. He's that kid in class who is a kn0b so the whole class has to stay behind. And then there is our captain. So boring. So uninspiring. So shiit. He had one good season when Rodgers was here and he's been stealing a living ever since. How he had lasted Dalglish Rodgers and Klopp is astounding.
An accurate assessment I reckon. When the fab four up front are banging in goals, the "pretenders" you mention can get away with being shtye because it is forgotten in the yippee factor.
I cant figure out why a manager is in such denial about these guys he sees on the pitch and in training. Plus, even if he thinks they are world class and are worthy of a place in the first 11, why the feck hasn't he signed players who can cover for them when they are tired or injured?
Absolute bellend. No surprise a comment like that from you with some of the absolute [oops] you chat.
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I put both the Chelsea and Everton dropped points down to Klopp. Also it's a continuing trend, as his quirky lineups and substitutions have cost us points on previous games as well. I applauded his bravery in the Spartak Moscow game, and he got us the rewards there. It's hard to explain this inconsistency, so much so one would be forgiven for wondering if he's in full control of decision making, as his CL and PL decisions are so at odds. Wonder if it's possible he could be on something? ....!
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[quote=Mr Bojangles]He needs to learn proper quick that half the team are dog Shiite and we need a few people who aren't complete liabilities every other game.
Mignolet Lovren Moreno Henderson
Id probably include Klavan but he's backup at best.
Those 4 players can't even do the basics right. Goalkeeper who cannot stop making mistakes. Defenders like Moreno who has defending about 8th on his lost of things to do that day. Lovren..... Jesus fukking Christ. If I was in training with him I'd snap his legs every session so the cvnt can't play. He's that kid in class who is a kn0b so the whole class has to stay behind. And then there is our captain. So boring. So uninspiring. So shiit. He had one good season when Rodgers was here and he's been stealing a living ever since. How he had lasted Dalglish Rodgers and Klopp is astounding.
An accurate assessment I reckon. When the fab four up front are banging in goals, the "pretenders" you mention can get away with being shtye because it is forgotten in the yippee factor.
I cant figure out why a manager is in such denial about these guys he sees on the pitch and in training. Plus, even if he thinks they are world class and are worthy of a place in the first 11, why the feck hasn't he signed players who can cover for them when they are tired or injured?
A cover/replacement for Moreno has been bought and is being played at least up until Moreno is fit though I don't know why it took so long. Klopp bought a GK who is no better than Mignolet, I have no idea why Klopp couldn't find anybody better than Lovren. Regarding Henderson we don't have anybody a lot better to play at his place and he is not our biggest problem.
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I put both the Chelsea and Everton dropped points down to Klopp. Also it's a continuing trend, as his quirky lineups and substitutions have cost us points on previous games as well. I applauded his bravery in the Spartak Moscow game, and he got us the rewards there. It's hard to explain this inconsistency, so much so one would be forgiven for wondering if he's in full control of decision making, as his CL and PL decisions are so at odds. Wonder if it's possible he could be on something? ....! I agree regarding the Everton game but not that much against Chelsea, they at the end of the day have a better team than us.
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So Firmino, Coutinho, Can and Wijnaldum return to the squad at home to WBA, after being rested for the Everton game!
I get rotation but this makes absolutely no sense, we should be full strength against Everton and then resting tonight if needed.
And with Salah starting tonight, that also suggests he wasn't injured when substituted against Everton!
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