KopTalk

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Liverpool Legend
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Originally Posted By Liverotto
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Liverotto
[quote=TiredReds][quote=Liverotto][quote=Hercules/AF 58]

However, I do agree that we didnt have enough covers in some other game and that's why I am calling for Karius to be number one. Migs didnt take the responsibilities as a GK for a strong side. Unless you are playing in Scum who like park the bus, a lot of strong play a high line and their defenders dont run a lot faster than ours. However, a lot of through ball of counter attacks were cleared by the GK as their GK is willing to rush out and come out a lot faster. Say the red card for Mane as an example and there are a few occasions againts Spurs as examples too. For any of those through balls would result in a one-on-one situation against us with Migs as the goalie.
Migs is actually letting the whole defend down. We need to get it sort quick.


Karius has shown he is a worse shot stopper than Mignolet and also not a good judge on when to come out. Lovren was afraid to be on one on one on Kane, this is why he wanted to get the ball at any price for our second goal, our system allowed a situation where a quick CF could be on a one on one and a GK cannot cover a player at the centre of the pitch. WE are not a well organised team and it's so obvious, there is no balance between attack and defence, it's all attack, it might not even be a player problem. Lovren in the hands of Pochetinno was a different player.


I always say Lovern is not that bad, but to me it is more like he cant cope with the pressure with playing in Liverpool.
He did not have a good start with us under Brendan ages and he is always a target for being criticised. I somehow think that he wants to prove his worth by doing some defensive moves that he is not able to do well. For the second goal, if he afraid of Kane, he wont go straight to rush for the ball. He rushed for the ball because he wanted to do a great job by intercepting the pass to Kane. He took unnecessary risk and he paid for the price. Simple as that. If he was afraid of Kane, he would simply force Kane to get ball and dont allow him to turnaround and do a foul to stop Kane if necessary.

For the cover of GK, I dont mean the second goal. I mean the season in general. We seldom see Migs come out to catch a through pass. Look where Ederson rush out on the occasion that Mane being sent out and you would know. If that is Liverpool facing that through pass the ball would pass through and Mane would get a one-on-one chance and then our centre back will be blamed on lack of pace or poor positioning etc. That's the situation.
Karius is a young GK who adapting a new style of league. He was good in bundesliga and he beated Neuer to be the best GK in bundesliga before he came. His errors were one of the least too before he came.
He didnt have a great start with Liverpool as there are pressure and a different league style. However, he did show a lot improvements during his spell at liverpool. Look at his performance in CL this year comparing to last year's when he first arrived and you will know how fast is his learning curve.

We all know keeper needs to adapt to the game and adapt to pressure. Friedel was once a very bad keeper when he played for us. I remember how he failed to save a single shot in those days. He turned out to be one of the best in EPL in his later stage of career.
Gomez in Watford was a similar case.
Another is De Gea.
There are lots of examples.

Migs have already been given too much chances and he didnt show a learning curve. He is also not the GK style that fits to our system. I would say it is the time to give chance to Karius.


Of course he was afraid of Kane because he was bare naked behind, you don't leave one Lovren alone with Kane, it's looking for a disaster.

And I am afraid to say Karius is not better than Mignolet

Last edited by TiredReds; 27/10/17 04:35 AM.
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 462
L
Under 16 Player
Under 16 Player
L Offline
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 462
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Liverotto
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Liverotto
[quote=TiredReds][quote=Liverotto][quote=Hercules/AF 58]

However, I do agree that we didnt have enough covers in some other game and that's why I am calling for Karius to be number one. Migs didnt take the responsibilities as a GK for a strong side. Unless you are playing in Scum who like park the bus, a lot of strong play a high line and their defenders dont run a lot faster than ours. However, a lot of through ball of counter attacks were cleared by the GK as their GK is willing to rush out and come out a lot faster. Say the red card for Mane as an example and there are a few occasions againts Spurs as examples too. For any of those through balls would result in a one-on-one situation against us with Migs as the goalie.
Migs is actually letting the whole defend down. We need to get it sort quick.


Karius has shown he is a worse shot stopper than Mignolet and also not a good judge on when to come out. Lovren was afraid to be on one on one on Kane, this is why he wanted to get the ball at any price for our second goal, our system allowed a situation where a quick CF could be on a one on one and a GK cannot cover a player at the centre of the pitch. WE are not a well organised team and it's so obvious, there is no balance between attack and defence, it's all attack, it might not even be a player problem. Lovren in the hands of Pochetinno was a different player.


I always say Lovern is not that bad, but to me it is more like he cant cope with the pressure with playing in Liverpool.
He did not have a good start with us under Brendan ages and he is always a target for being criticised. I somehow think that he wants to prove his worth by doing some defensive moves that he is not able to do well. For the second goal, if he afraid of Kane, he wont go straight to rush for the ball. He rushed for the ball because he wanted to do a great job by intercepting the pass to Kane. He took unnecessary risk and he paid for the price. Simple as that. If he was afraid of Kane, he would simply force Kane to get ball and dont allow him to turnaround and do a foul to stop Kane if necessary.

For the cover of GK, I dont mean the second goal. I mean the season in general. We seldom see Migs come out to catch a through pass. Look where Ederson rush out on the occasion that Mane being sent out and you would know. If that is Liverpool facing that through pass the ball would pass through and Mane would get a one-on-one chance and then our centre back will be blamed on lack of pace or poor positioning etc. That's the situation.
Karius is a young GK who adapting a new style of league. He was good in bundesliga and he beated Neuer to be the best GK in bundesliga before he came. His errors were one of the least too before he came.
He didnt have a great start with Liverpool as there are pressure and a different league style. However, he did show a lot improvements during his spell at liverpool. Look at his performance in CL this year comparing to last year's when he first arrived and you will know how fast is his learning curve.

We all know keeper needs to adapt to the game and adapt to pressure. Friedel was once a very bad keeper when he played for us. I remember how he failed to save a single shot in those days. He turned out to be one of the best in EPL in his later stage of career.
Gomez in Watford was a similar case.
Another is De Gea.
There are lots of examples.

Migs have already been given too much chances and he didnt show a learning curve. He is also not the GK style that fits to our system. I would say it is the time to give chance to Karius.


Of course he was afraid of Kane because he was bare naked behind, you don't leave one Lovren alone with Kane, it's looking for a disaster.

And I am afraid to say Karius is not better than Mignolet


That's not true. Centre back is always naked behind. I dont think any defenders afraid of his opponents will go rush out rather than sit deep.

And you should find some footage on the play of Karius in Bundesliga.

Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,291
C
1st Team Squad
1st Team Squad
C Offline
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,291
Originally Posted By Liverotto

And you should find some footage on the play of Karius in Bundesliga.


What Karius did in the Bundesliga is irrelevant, who cares! You judge a Liverpool player by what he has done and achieved at Liverpool, not his previous clubs. Karius has been poor in pretty much every game he's played for us.

Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 462
L
Under 16 Player
Under 16 Player
L Offline
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 462
Originally Posted By Chris2402
Originally Posted By Liverotto

And you should find some footage on the play of Karius in Bundesliga.


What Karius did in the Bundesliga is irrelevant, who cares! You judge a Liverpool player by what he has done and achieved at Liverpool, not his previous clubs. Karius has been poor in pretty much every game he's played for us.


When you are talking about performance of a player, it is relevant.

Karius is still very young as a goalkeeper and he comes to a big club and a different league and get injured in the preseason, it is understandable if he under-perform as a player.

Although people criticised at his performance, he actually played only 11 EPL games with us. In that 11 games, he had 4 clean sheets and conceded 12 goals. It is not that bad. Use that few games to judge a young player is a bad idea.

I always think people write him off so soon. He is as young as Danny Ward. We should give him more chances to shine for us.

Let's see Stegen in Barca. He did pretty bad in Barca at the start too. But, look the performance of him now?

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Liverpool Legend
Liverpool Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 22,926
Centre backs are only naked behind when the are well in front of their goal keepers, otherwise they are covered by their goalkeepers. When the are in front they should cover each other or get the help of midfielders to mark players. In our/Klopp's case we end up with one defender marking the C.F. and very often none as the latter positions himself right in between of our central defenders. WE are the least organised team at the back especially when we are attacking, of course they will make mistakes. In fact when we are attacking, we have all our midfielders who push forward in addition to our full backs and thus have miles of space between our GK and CBs. This shyte is not working as our opponents know exactly what we do.

Last edited by TiredReds; 27/10/17 08:50 AM.
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,291
C
1st Team Squad
1st Team Squad
C Offline
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 7,291
Originally Posted By Liverotto


When you are talking about performance of a player, it is relevant.

Karius is still very young as a goalkeeper and he comes to a big club and a different league and get injured in the preseason, it is understandable if he under-perform as a player.

Although people criticised at his performance, he actually played only 11 EPL games with us. In that 11 games, he had 4 clean sheets and conceded 12 goals. It is not that bad. Use that few games to judge a young player is a bad idea.

I always think people write him off so soon. He is as young as Danny Ward. We should give him more chances to shine for us.

Let's see Stegen in Barca. He did pretty bad in Barca at the start too. But, look the performance of him now?


I judge a player on how he performs for Liverpool. What he did in the Bundesliga is irrelevant because it has no bearing on Liverpool, how is that so difficult to understand?

If he comes good then great, however I have seen absolutely nothing in his Liverpool performances to suggest he is good enough for us. He's had enough chances, as has Mignolet.

Page 4 of 4 1 2 3 4

Moderated by  KopTalk Team 

Link Copied to Clipboard
ShoutChat
Comment Guidelines: Do post respectful and insightful comments. Don't flame, hate, spam.
Advertisements
Liverpool FC Discussion