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Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By Barr
Originally Posted By Hercules/AF 58
Originally Posted By Pickles
There is a validity now to question Klopps' competence for the job.

It all boils down to expectations, we as fans want success in the form of silverware. Our Owners however see it differently, they want a profitbale business and whilst the money rolls in Klopp is viewed as a success for them.

Changing our Manager is not really an option at the moment because who out there could do any better under the strict financial constraints?

Yeah there's a validity to question his competence as you say Pickles, I also agree with your reason for not changing managers under current constraints. I'd also add my own theory as a valid reason for not wishing to sack Klopp just now, and that is as I've stated previously, that I think he's engaged in a battle with the owners to change policy, to force them to compete at the top in the transfer market and recruit top class players. That's worth supporting IMO, and I see any heave by fans against Klopp as playing the owners tune and thereby undermining any chance of us signing the quality we need to compete at the top.


Klopp:

'If you bring one player in for £100m and he gets injured, then it all goes through the chimney,' he said.

'The day that this is football, I'm not in a job anymore, because the game is about playing together.

'That is how everybody in football understands it. You always want to have the best, but building the group is necessary to be successful.

'Other clubs can go out and spend more money and collect top players.

'I want to do it differently. I would even do it differently if I could spend that money.

'I don't know exactly how much money we could spend because nobody has told me, 'No, you can't do this.'

'If I spend money, it is because I am trying to build a team, a real team. Barcelona did it. You can win championships, you can win titles, but there is a manner in which you want it.'

Yeah I recall reading those comments Barr, and I also recall posting my worries about Klopp's seeming blindness to the competitiveness of the PL as a result. However it appears he's learnt since then by opting for two top prices quality players in VvD and Naby in the recent window, and then refusing to settle for 2nd, 3rd or 4th options. It is that apparent change of tack by Klopp that I'm supporting. I hope he has the courage of his convictions and sticks to his new approach.


Those 2 players were not for sale this season and didn't look like it was about money same as the Coutinho situation. Barca went and bought 2 players, we did nothing or rather bought one for next season.

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Maybe he was told that if he went for alternatives, he wouldn't then be allowed to go for those two .


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Originally Posted By lumba
Maybe he was told that if he went for alternatives, he wouldn't then be allowed to go for those two .


You mean he was told he will not be able to buy players in those positions anymore as those 2 were not available in the last window? Even if we had bought VVD we would have had to buy another CB in the next window as Lovren is not good enough. I am starting to feel it is not about players but Klopp's system, somebody said Lovren looked great under Pochetinno

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Originally Posted By lumba
Maybe he was told that if he went for alternatives, he wouldn't then be allowed to go for those two .


Either way it should have been sorted whistle

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Originally Posted By lumba
Maybe he was told that if he went for alternatives, he wouldn't then be allowed to go for those two .


You mean he was told he will not be able to buy players in those positions anymore as those 2 were not available in the last window? Even if we had bought VVD we would have had to buy another CB in the next window as Lovren is not good enough. I am starting to feel it is not about players but Klopp's system, somebody said Lovren looked great under Pochetinno


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Regardless of signing players or not it has to be possible for Klopp and his crew to coach some defensive sense into our crop of players.

If Klopp is a manager that wants to build and educate rather than just buy success, then I'd suggest it's now time for him to prove his abilities.

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Sack Klopp and replace with whom exactly? The next media conjured flavour of the month? And then once everybody is bored of that guy after another wasted two years of re-building there will be the next flavour of the month and the cycle will continue and we will all still be here in another ten years time talking about where our next league title will come from.

Attack good, defence bad, he wants to win things so have some patience, let him realise he has messed up and then get to work on fixing it. He didn't win titles in Germany from not being able to organise a defence... it took TIME.

We aren't city or Chelsea and I don't want us to be.

I'm frustrated as well, and in these times I do fear for Klopp but bringing out the pitch forks and spitting out dummies will not instantly make things any better.

Guess what, we weren't going to win anything this season anyway, we all knew that after the transfer window closed, should we of sacked him on September the 1st?

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
You should always give yourself options in case the first one doesn't come off. Utd did with Moratta and that didn't work out too bad. And just because you have a full back option doesn't mean it has to be a low quality one or a 'cheapie prospect'.

His approach is all well and good but it's left us woefully short again and may well cost him his job. I find it very, very, very hard to accept that VvD was the only quality and viable option that could've improved our defence. It's also worrying that we could do with 2 CB's so if he can only identify one at this point in time we'll definately struggle to find any more.

There's a difference between 2nd 3rd and 4th choices at LFC and United though under our owners. Our fall backs have always been cheaper options than our first choice targets, if they ever were real targets in the first place, and not just smoke and mirrors. It's a moot point whether there's been a change of heart by FSG in last summers window, and, is there not a hint of that in the Robertson signing?

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sadly he is playing the fool and it mirrors in the team ..unless u have unlimited cash u can't just attack attack like a pepe team. a proper manager starts at the back..klopp is one idea fad type manager..we don't even out press teams anymore. crap defence still when everyone says that what we need -to stop letting in soft goals- inexcusable .. shoulda let coutinho leave too.. keeping him till they meet price is not helping us

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Originally Posted By EMP
sadly he is playing the fool and it mirrors in the team ..unless u have unlimited cash u can't just attack attack like a pepe team. a proper manager starts at the back..klopp is one idea fad type manager..we don't even out press teams anymore. crap defence still when everyone says that what we need -to stop letting in soft goals- inexcusable .. shoulda let coutinho leave too.. keeping him till they meet price is not helping us


Pepe team? He has a strong defence, he spent most of his money on 2 full backs.

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