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When Klopp came in, he helped raise the level of play of many players, especially Lovren at the back, who looked lost under Rodgers. It was by no means perfect, but the team just looked and felt more confident overall. Klopp made the most of a difficult situation. Let's face it, Mignolet-Clyne-Lovren-Sakho-Moreno wasn't exactly a team full of world beaters. When Matip and Karius came in, it looked like Klopp was beginning to address a key weakness in the team.
Long-term however, it doesn't seem like he's been ruthless enough as some of those poor defenders he inherited are still here. The overhaul we've been expecting hasn't really taken place. We're a long ways from Weidenfeller-Piszezcek-Hummels-Subotic-Schmelzer that won 2 league titles conceding fewer than 1 goal a game.
Klopp's coaching and support of Lovren got the most out of him in the last couple of years, but it seems like now he's regressed back to the 14/15 Lovren. Mignolet, who looked reborn at the end of last season, has also been poor this season. Moreno's looking good, but is he consistent enough to be a mainstay at LB? Not sure, but at least we do have Robertson.
Ultimately, we needed more competition for places. Klopp bringing in quality defenders and goalkeepers wouldn't have meant the end for the likes of Lovren and Mignolet. If you're good enough, prove it on the pitch. It's hardly as though our defenders and goalkeepers have top quality clubs all around Europe demanding them. If they're not content being on the bench at Liverpool, it's not like they'd be starting at a top club elsewhere right now. Either they buckle down and fight their way back and at least provide some depth, or they can go to some mid-table club and start week in week out with no pressure. Competition would've been nice. Instead, we're reduced to playing the same defenders and goalkeepers that have contributed to a lot of mistakes over the years.
In the meantime, it would be helpful to take Lovren out of the spotlight for a while. Let him sort out his head a bit. Gomez has earned a look at CB. Maybe he'll get a chance now. Looks quite confident and could be the boost we need. Hopefully Clyne is back soon too, and that would help as well.
In January, a signing or two would be nice, as it would provide more competition and depth, and could also provide a nice boost to the team. All of this talk of "no value" in January is also misleading. We've signed players like Arbeloa, Agger, Mascherano, Maxi, Suarez, Coutinho, and Sturridge in January. Can't agree with that Barr, Lovern has always been shiit at Liverpool, he's the same leopard today as he was the day he came to us, and he has the same spots, nothing has changed. The only difference between Klopp and Rodgers is that Rodgers had more variety in his tactical kit bag than Klopp apparently has. On defending and attacking football they're virtually identical, they both are only interested in attack and they both show no interest or even know how on defending. It's like Groundhog Day! Yep, at least Rodgers gave something different a go (eventually) in going to three at the back. Klopp seems incapable of shifting from his current set up and it will cost us.
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Klopp has had 3 seasons to change our team, and it's no different to Rodger's team. Our record under Klopp is no different to Rodger's record, and 'Klopp does not have Suarez' is not an excuse, he's had four transfer windows to organise a competitive team.
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thats what Carra said.isnt it
Steven Gerrard: Heartbeat of LFC.
football is fuckingg cruel
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When Klopp came in, he helped raise the level of play of many players, especially Lovren at the back, who looked lost under Rodgers. It was by no means perfect, but the team just looked and felt more confident overall. Klopp made the most of a difficult situation. Let's face it, Mignolet-Clyne-Lovren-Sakho-Moreno wasn't exactly a team full of world beaters. When Matip and Karius came in, it looked like Klopp was beginning to address a key weakness in the team.
Long-term however, it doesn't seem like he's been ruthless enough as some of those poor defenders he inherited are still here. The overhaul we've been expecting hasn't really taken place. We're a long ways from Weidenfeller-Piszezcek-Hummels-Subotic-Schmelzer that won 2 league titles conceding fewer than 1 goal a game.
Klopp's coaching and support of Lovren got the most out of him in the last couple of years, but it seems like now he's regressed back to the 14/15 Lovren. Mignolet, who looked reborn at the end of last season, has also been poor this season. Moreno's looking good, but is he consistent enough to be a mainstay at LB? Not sure, but at least we do have Robertson.
Ultimately, we needed more competition for places. Klopp bringing in quality defenders and goalkeepers wouldn't have meant the end for the likes of Lovren and Mignolet. If you're good enough, prove it on the pitch. It's hardly as though our defenders and goalkeepers have top quality clubs all around Europe demanding them. If they're not content being on the bench at Liverpool, it's not like they'd be starting at a top club elsewhere right now. Either they buckle down and fight their way back and at least provide some depth, or they can go to some mid-table club and start week in week out with no pressure. Competition would've been nice. Instead, we're reduced to playing the same defenders and goalkeepers that have contributed to a lot of mistakes over the years.
In the meantime, it would be helpful to take Lovren out of the spotlight for a while. Let him sort out his head a bit. Gomez has earned a look at CB. Maybe he'll get a chance now. Looks quite confident and could be the boost we need. Hopefully Clyne is back soon too, and that would help as well.
In January, a signing or two would be nice, as it would provide more competition and depth, and could also provide a nice boost to the team. All of this talk of "no value" in January is also misleading. We've signed players like Arbeloa, Agger, Mascherano, Maxi, Suarez, Coutinho, and Sturridge in January. Can't agree with that Barr, Lovern has always been shiit at Liverpool, he's the same leopard today as he was the day he came to us, and he has the same spots, nothing has changed. The only difference between Klopp and Rodgers is that Rodgers had more variety in his tactical kit bag than Klopp apparently has. On defending and attacking football they're virtually identical, they both are only interested in attack and they both show no interest or even know how on defending. It's like Groundhog Day! Having watched us against Hoffenheim, Palace, Arsenal, Man City, Leicester (League) and United this season I have seen us play tactically very different across that group of games. If you cannot see it, it suggests you lack the tactical understanding of the game to see it rather than it not being there. I have seen us counter press, play a mid-block, high-block, start our press low-mid, high-mid, low-att and high-att. We play an option oriented zonal marking system which effective means we can be man oriented, ball oriented or space oriented zonal marking depending on circumstance within the same game from one minute to the next. E.g. when we are counter pressing, we are ball oriented zonal marking. Against Hoffenheim (a) we were space (or leeway) oriented zonal marking a lot of the second half. Against Sevilla we were man oriented zonal marking a lot of the game when we were ahead. Or do you mean in attacking play? Again we play very different to how Dortmund played. The very fact their attack played with a clear focal point (Lewa) and we play without one in a strikerless formation should point to that. So specifically - how does he have less variety?
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On 8 October 2015, Klopp agreed a three-year deal to become Liverpool manager, replacing Brendan Rodgers.
Winter Transfers 15/16
Grujic bought from Red Star Belgrade £6.30m
Ilori sold to Reading £3.87m
Summer Transfers 16
Mane bought from Southampton £37.08m
Wijnaldum bought from Newcastle £24.75m
Karius bought from Mainz £5.58m
Klavan bought from Augsburg £4.50m
Benteke Sold to Palace £28.08m
Ibe Sold to Bournemouth £16.20m
Allen Sold to Stoke £13.95m
Skrtel Sold to Fenerbahce £5.40m
Alberto Sold to Lazio £3.60m
Smith Sold to Bournemouth £3.24m
Winter Transfers 16/17
Non Bought or Sold
Summer Transfers 17
Salah Bought from Roma £37.80m
Ox Bought from Arsenal £34.20m
Robertson Bought from Hull £8.10m
Sakho Sold to Palace £25.38m
Lucas Sold to Lazio £5.13m
Stewart Sold to Hull £4.05m
Wisdom Sold to Derby £2.07m
That is Klopp's dealings since arriving, it doesn't take in Free Transfers or Loans.
Paid Out = £158.1m
Brought In = £110.97m
Difference = £47.13m
Klopp has had 4 transfer windows to make this "HIS" team.
Liverpool FC / FSG have earned close to £250m "alone" for Prem & TV money for the last 2 seasons.
To me there is a definite reluctance to spend, whether that be Klopp or the Owners?
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When Klopp came in, he helped raise the level of play of many players, especially Lovren at the back, who looked lost under Rodgers. It was by no means perfect, but the team just looked and felt more confident overall. Klopp made the most of a difficult situation. Let's face it, Mignolet-Clyne-Lovren-Sakho-Moreno wasn't exactly a team full of world beaters. When Matip and Karius came in, it looked like Klopp was beginning to address a key weakness in the team.
Long-term however, it doesn't seem like he's been ruthless enough as some of those poor defenders he inherited are still here. The overhaul we've been expecting hasn't really taken place. We're a long ways from Weidenfeller-Piszezcek-Hummels-Subotic-Schmelzer that won 2 league titles conceding fewer than 1 goal a game.
Klopp's coaching and support of Lovren got the most out of him in the last couple of years, but it seems like now he's regressed back to the 14/15 Lovren. Mignolet, who looked reborn at the end of last season, has also been poor this season. Moreno's looking good, but is he consistent enough to be a mainstay at LB? Not sure, but at least we do have Robertson.
Ultimately, we needed more competition for places. Klopp bringing in quality defenders and goalkeepers wouldn't have meant the end for the likes of Lovren and Mignolet. If you're good enough, prove it on the pitch. It's hardly as though our defenders and goalkeepers have top quality clubs all around Europe demanding them. If they're not content being on the bench at Liverpool, it's not like they'd be starting at a top club elsewhere right now. Either they buckle down and fight their way back and at least provide some depth, or they can go to some mid-table club and start week in week out with no pressure. Competition would've been nice. Instead, we're reduced to playing the same defenders and goalkeepers that have contributed to a lot of mistakes over the years.
In the meantime, it would be helpful to take Lovren out of the spotlight for a while. Let him sort out his head a bit. Gomez has earned a look at CB. Maybe he'll get a chance now. Looks quite confident and could be the boost we need. Hopefully Clyne is back soon too, and that would help as well.
In January, a signing or two would be nice, as it would provide more competition and depth, and could also provide a nice boost to the team. All of this talk of "no value" in January is also misleading. We've signed players like Arbeloa, Agger, Mascherano, Maxi, Suarez, Coutinho, and Sturridge in January. Can't agree with that Barr, Lovern has always been shiit at Liverpool, he's the same leopard today as he was the day he came to us, and he has the same spots, nothing has changed. The only difference between Klopp and Rodgers is that Rodgers had more variety in his tactical kit bag than Klopp apparently has. On defending and attacking football they're virtually identical, they both are only interested in attack and they both show no interest or even know how on defending. It's like Groundhog Day! Having watched us against Hoffenheim, Palace, Arsenal, Man City, Leicester (League) and United this season I have seen us play tactically very different across that group of games. If you cannot see it, it suggests you lack the tactical understanding of the game to see it rather than it not being there. I have seen us counter press, play a mid-block, high-block, start our press low-mid, high-mid, low-att and high-att. We play an option oriented zonal marking system which effective means we can be man oriented, ball oriented or space oriented zonal marking depending on circumstance within the same game from one minute to the next. E.g. when we are counter pressing, we are ball oriented zonal marking. Against Hoffenheim (a) we were space (or leeway) oriented zonal marking a lot of the second half. Against Sevilla we were man oriented zonal marking a lot of the game when we were ahead. Or do you mean in attacking play? Again we play very different to how Dortmund played. The very fact their attack played with a clear focal point (Lewa) and we play without one in a strikerless formation should point to that. So specifically - how does he have less variety? If you think you see a lot of variety doesn't mean you have tactical understanding of the game, maybe you are just seeing things that don't exist. The only game I saw different to the other ones is against United where we played a lower line and committed less players forward. This is also why we had the least number of chances and possession in the opponent's half. Fpr the rest it was the same tactics.
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This High Line, Mid Line, Low Line is complete and utter bollox!
Klopp consistently makes substitutions far too late in games to make a difference. I've made a point about this several times on here that he waits until about 10 to 15 minutes to go, in most games when it is patently clear after the first 45 minutes that changes are needed. Klopp also is ridiculous in his methods to use certain players in certain competitions!
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When Klopp came in, he helped raise the level of play of many players, especially Lovren at the back, who looked lost under Rodgers. It was by no means perfect, but the team just looked and felt more confident overall. Klopp made the most of a difficult situation. Let's face it, Mignolet-Clyne-Lovren-Sakho-Moreno wasn't exactly a team full of world beaters. When Matip and Karius came in, it looked like Klopp was beginning to address a key weakness in the team.
Long-term however, it doesn't seem like he's been ruthless enough as some of those poor defenders he inherited are still here. The overhaul we've been expecting hasn't really taken place. We're a long ways from Weidenfeller-Piszezcek-Hummels-Subotic-Schmelzer that won 2 league titles conceding fewer than 1 goal a game.
Klopp's coaching and support of Lovren got the most out of him in the last couple of years, but it seems like now he's regressed back to the 14/15 Lovren. Mignolet, who looked reborn at the end of last season, has also been poor this season. Moreno's looking good, but is he consistent enough to be a mainstay at LB? Not sure, but at least we do have Robertson.
Ultimately, we needed more competition for places. Klopp bringing in quality defenders and goalkeepers wouldn't have meant the end for the likes of Lovren and Mignolet. If you're good enough, prove it on the pitch. It's hardly as though our defenders and goalkeepers have top quality clubs all around Europe demanding them. If they're not content being on the bench at Liverpool, it's not like they'd be starting at a top club elsewhere right now. Either they buckle down and fight their way back and at least provide some depth, or they can go to some mid-table club and start week in week out with no pressure. Competition would've been nice. Instead, we're reduced to playing the same defenders and goalkeepers that have contributed to a lot of mistakes over the years.
In the meantime, it would be helpful to take Lovren out of the spotlight for a while. Let him sort out his head a bit. Gomez has earned a look at CB. Maybe he'll get a chance now. Looks quite confident and could be the boost we need. Hopefully Clyne is back soon too, and that would help as well.
In January, a signing or two would be nice, as it would provide more competition and depth, and could also provide a nice boost to the team. All of this talk of "no value" in January is also misleading. We've signed players like Arbeloa, Agger, Mascherano, Maxi, Suarez, Coutinho, and Sturridge in January. Can't agree with that Barr, Lovern has always been shiit at Liverpool, he's the same leopard today as he was the day he came to us, and he has the same spots, nothing has changed. The only difference between Klopp and Rodgers is that Rodgers had more variety in his tactical kit bag than Klopp apparently has. On defending and attacking football they're virtually identical, they both are only interested in attack and they both show no interest or even know how on defending. It's like Groundhog Day! Having watched us against Hoffenheim, Palace, Arsenal, Man City, Leicester (League) and United this season I have seen us play tactically very different across that group of games. If you cannot see it, it suggests you lack the tactical understanding of the game to see it rather than it not being there. I have seen us counter press, play a mid-block, high-block, start our press low-mid, high-mid, low-att and high-att. We play an option oriented zonal marking system which effective means we can be man oriented, ball oriented or space oriented zonal marking depending on circumstance within the same game from one minute to the next. E.g. when we are counter pressing, we are ball oriented zonal marking. Against Hoffenheim (a) we were space (or leeway) oriented zonal marking a lot of the second half. Against Sevilla we were man oriented zonal marking a lot of the game when we were ahead. Or do you mean in attacking play? Again we play very different to how Dortmund played. The very fact their attack played with a clear focal point (Lewa) and we play without one in a strikerless formation should point to that. So specifically - how does he have less variety? Well if the good Klopp'o thought he was employing all that utter tosh, I can see how both he and his player are as confused as you seem to be Fordy, what a load of utter nonsense.
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It’s okay if you don’t understand the tactical approach in games. Rather you stick to poems, anywho.
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It’s okay if you don’t understand the tactical approach in games. Rather you stick to poems, anywho. So he has been changing tactics every other game, right? What is the outcome please?
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