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After 2 years in charge. The majority of the team who started yesterday’s match was Rodgers team.

Migs
Gomez
Lovren
Moreno
Can
Henderson
Coutinho
Firmino

You could add Lallana to that. He will play when fit.
Only Mane. Salah and winaldum are first team starts that Klopp
Had brought in. I find that astonishing.

Still no excuse for Klopp, had time to change that.

Exactly. He's had 2 seasons to sort it and we're still in this fukking shitty position.

Rodgers team. Great going forward. Shocking in defence.
Klopp comes in. Adds more attackers. Still no defenders.

Salah mane chamberlain wijnaldum around 140mil

Matip free. Robertson 7mil

He has until January to start replacing some of the crap. If not he deserves the sack for being so blind and stubborn.

We shouldn't be getting beat 5-0 and 4-1 no matter who we play

We need answers as to his whereabouts.

When Klopp came in, he helped raise the level of play of many players, especially Lovren at the back, who looked lost under Rodgers. It was by no means perfect, but the team just looked and felt more confident overall. Klopp made the most of a difficult situation. Let's face it, Mignolet-Clyne-Lovren-Sakho-Moreno wasn't exactly a team full of world beaters. When Matip and Karius came in, it looked like Klopp was beginning to address a key weakness in the team.

Long-term however, it doesn't seem like he's been ruthless enough as some of those poor defenders he inherited are still here. The overhaul we've been expecting hasn't really taken place. We're a long ways from Weidenfeller-Piszezcek-Hummels-Subotic-Schmelzer that won 2 league titles conceding fewer than 1 goal a game.

Klopp's coaching and support of Lovren got the most out of him in the last couple of years, but it seems like now he's regressed back to the 14/15 Lovren. Mignolet, who looked reborn at the end of last season, has also been poor this season. Moreno's looking good, but is he consistent enough to be a mainstay at LB? Not sure, but at least we do have Robertson.

Ultimately, we needed more competition for places. Klopp bringing in quality defenders and goalkeepers wouldn't have meant the end for the likes of Lovren and Mignolet. If you're good enough, prove it on the pitch. It's hardly as though our defenders and goalkeepers have top quality clubs all around Europe demanding them. If they're not content being on the bench at Liverpool, it's not like they'd be starting at a top club elsewhere right now. Either they buckle down and fight their way back and at least provide some depth, or they can go to some mid-table club and start week in week out with no pressure. Competition would've been nice. Instead, we're reduced to playing the same defenders and goalkeepers that have contributed to a lot of mistakes over the years.

In the meantime, it would be helpful to take Lovren out of the spotlight for a while. Let him sort out his head a bit. Gomez has earned a look at CB. Maybe he'll get a chance now. Looks quite confident and could be the boost we need. Hopefully Clyne is back soon too, and that would help as well.

In January, a signing or two would be nice, as it would provide more competition and depth, and could also provide a nice boost to the team. All of this talk of "no value" in January is also misleading. We've signed players like Arbeloa, Agger, Mascherano, Maxi, Suarez, Coutinho, and Sturridge in January.

The biggest improvement when Klopp arrived you would have thought would come from improving the defence. Klopp hasn't even tried to address what now is a massive issue which has been made bigger by the fact that offensively we are not at the same level of last season or even under Rodgers.

Klavan - Would he get in any starting 11 in the Prem? I'm not sure. Not good enough even as a sub, and a downgrade from Skrtel. At a top club he would be playing for the reserves.

Matip - A nice free transfer but he's not a top defender or a leader. May be with a top defender next to him he could do a job but not convinced.

And then Klopp's banged on about how we have 3 top keepers. We've got 1 keeper who is probably not good enough with Mignolet, and the other two are nowhere near.

Wijnladum, Matip, Klavan, Gruijic, Karius.

These weere suppose to be players who could improve our starting 11, or at least play a main part in the squad.

Salah and Mane have been the only two successes and we were already quite offensively strong.

Given where we are, I agree with lawro in his post match analysis.

From the personnel we have available, give Ward, Gomez, Trent, etc. a start as may as well have rookies making rookie mistakes than seasoned pro's.

Can't agree with that Barr, Lovern has always been shiit at Liverpool, he's the same leopard today as he was the day he came to us, and he has the same spots, nothing has changed. The only difference between Klopp and Rodgers is that Rodgers had more variety in his tactical kit bag than Klopp apparently has. On defending and attacking football they're virtually identical, they both are only interested in attack and they both show no interest or even know how on defending. It's like Groundhog Day!