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I received this email on my KopTalk podcast and thought it made a lot of sense. What do you guys think? Is it fair?

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It's so true , the fans relationship with the owners seems more crowd control than a genuine affection to appease us

The writing has always been on the wall, they are businessmen and our complacency as fans is what will determine Whether they stay or go, that or they'll leave when the profits dried up, I hope the we act earlier than that, it's hard though, they have drained us completely , void of feeling any real emotions , put my tin foil hat on, but I'd say they know exactly what they are doing and. The approach was always about draining the fans to be more docile and easier to take advantage of,

It's really a shame the whole situation is depressing , such a big club , you'd think passionate billionaires would be jumping at the opportunity to buy us, somehow we were sold at the flea market to a bunch of bounty hunters

Yet these snowflake fans forget everything if we win, then throw their toys out the pram when we lose.

This isn't a week by week judgement, their reign isn't good enough for success , they have disarmed all fans and have slowly lowered our standards when true passionate billionaires are waiting to buy us

I'm sick of them, yet powerless and depressed to summon energy to make a change, fighting too many battles with snowflakes, kloppOUT shambles is exactly the kind of small minded talk that deflects from the larger picture of what is wrong with the club

Now the season has started all fingers point to klopp and everyone forgets FSG like hating them is just a phase to pass time in the transfer window, it's utter [oops] it takes away the validity in our convictions towards our disdain for FSG, they must go they must sell, we must push them out because it's happened so slowly covertly imbedded themselves in without a large backlash and so they keep taking advantage until they find resistance, theirs just not enough resistance,

What if we didn't do the walk out???

This is what I mean they will take and take until resistance then they backtrack , it's all so politic , it's crowd control whilst they continue making profits and eventual sell for a big price

Leaving drained and dejected fans ,
It's true that [oops] peter Moore just makes it that more condescending and be-littling fans with remarks

People are getting greedy expecting more from klopp, what they fail to realise is that klopp is keeping us together as a club , with a mirage of looking elite , but reality is that without him, our squad ethos and players are a solid 6th place no higher, maybe 5th at a stretch and half the team wouldn't be their if not for klopp, so let's let that sink in before to jump to conclusions that klopp ain't good for us, or that they'd even be a manager that can manage such a complicated financial backing

Mourinho,Benitez, dalglish wouldn't stand for it. Klopp must be stronger , he must use his power to have a greater influence on how FSG run the club, but also we must push klopp to make this important, more important than these repetitive questions in the press conferences, this is a complicated situation hard to to know how to approach it, but really with all due respect to them it's just got to be FSG-out.

Same old FSG out blah blah we've heard for years really. No one likes them but there's zero we can do about it.

As for us snowflakes who want Klopp out, I don't think anyone except the resident returnee wants him gone, not yet anyway. He deserves criticism as much as he does congratulations. Don't think that makes anyone a snowflake myself.

And FSG don't pick the team. They don't train one of the worst defences in the league. They didn't decide that only VVD is a better CB than what we have. Klopp has his flaws as every manager does but to say he's holding the club together is ball hang. If he left tomorrow we'd survive al be it through another 3 year plan.

You ever seen groundhog day?

Good film. Bit like that in here!

I think the fan who sent that email is bang on the money. We need FSG gone from this club ASAP. That will require fans to pull together, rather than fighting with each other, and a well laid plan of concerted action to force them out. Actions like walkouts at games, boycotts of sponsors products and regular and persistent protests against their policies. I think we have to support Klopp as the writer said and perhaps publicly and privately encourage him to push the owners to change their policies and finance the signing of top quality players, as epitomised by his top two targets in the recent transfer window. I note he/she is tending towards depression and despair, and while I can understand that reaction, it leads nowhere, better to join forces in a sustained action plan, as in my opinion that's the only thing that will either force a change of policy, or force them to sell up.

I think we are in huge danger of being left behind. I don't think any Manager in the World could bring us success within our current financial constraints. Kenny, Brendan and Klopp could have been very successful with us, with willing Owners. When January comes I can see us not spending a penny even if VVD is available because FSG will just use the excuse that they don't want to overpay and Klop will toe the party line like he has done ever since he came and like Brendan before him.

The cycle of unsuccessful Managers under FSG will continue until they are gone.

Maybe just maybe we have been left behind simply because that's the way the football world works...when clubs are in our situation you can either blame the club for not spending enough or the manager for not being good enough. We could simply just be in a situation that some Clubs are now just bigger and stronger than us because of what they have done themselves rather than us going backward, staying the same or improving but others improving more. Your not telling me that the same things we are blaming now we're not blamed by Leeds United, Aston Villa, Sheffield Wednesday and Everton before us when there clubs were overtook...maybe just maybe it's just the way Football works and it's nobody's fault....nobody has a Devine right to be at the top remember...

It's ok everyone saying they want FSG out, I agree, but who is there to take us over and invest as we need to be really competitive with City, Chelsea, UTD etc?

FSG are business men, that's one of the chances we have, there isn't really any sentimental value in what they are doing at Liverpool, so if someone comes in with enough money, they will sell, the problem is no one has come in with the money.

No point in an FSG out unless we have someone to come in and replace them, if there is a serious bidder, they need to make it public and say FSG won't sell, then the fans would put the pressure on FSG to sell up.

We don't have to be put on the market, If someone made a big enough offer, they would consider it, if that offer was made public, the fan base is getting frustrated enough to put the pressure on them to sell up, if they are getting pelters, and have a very good offer on the table, they might take it.

They've been reportedly open to a sale or investment for a good few years so the club is effectively on the market.

But as eccy says, who's out there who could afford to buy us and afford to invest what's needed to take us to the top? It's not like there are queues of billionaires waiting to buy us and throw money down the drain.

I'd suggest if they did sell we'd end up with FSG 2.0 and no doubt owners with a massive loan to buy us which will put us in a great position won't it?