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Liverpool brought Klopp in because he was I would call a flavour of the month manager, he had two seasons at Dortmund where they were very good and then started to get found out, think they finished about sixth in his last season. I think we brought in Benitez same reasons too, he won two Leagues and Europa in a short space of about 3 seasons. Both these managers had no experience in managing clubs to success away from there homelands so maybe when Klopp does go we maybe bring someone in who has had success with different clubs and set ups...just a thought... They are both managers who punched above their weight, winning leagues against bigger teams, these weren't one off successes, that's what the Liverpool owners have been trying to replicate, as we are against several teams with more resources than us. yes but they were not sustained success were they, these were two managers that had three good seasons at there clubs and were brought to us on the back of those three seasons. I am thinking when we bring in our next manager maybe bring someone in who has had success at a couple of different clubs or maybe had success in more than one country. I think both Benitez and Klopp both struggled with the English game, Benitez especialy when we got knocked out the Cup by Burnley with a Traore own goal and also prioritising Champions League over Premier League teams at the time, now we have Klopp dismissing domestic cups we have a chance of winning in favour of a top four place... Yeah, Rafa struggled in Liverpool by winning a CL trophy and the FA cup and made liverpool one of the best team in Europe. Rafa did make an error by letting Alonso go but the club didnt give him time to rebuild the team and recover from his mistakes. Instead, the club hired Roy, who had experiences and achieved success in several countries (like you want). And Roy become one of Liverpool's most successful manager by signing poulsen and koncehsky and made us to a mid-table team. P.S. Klopp took up the job of Dortmund when they were in 13th and in serious financial troubles. He then made it to a team that could win the bundesliga twice. Also, he made bundesliga the one horse league to a two horses league by successfully making Dortmund as a contenders for the title for a few seasons (not only two). And BM can only keep tapping up the key players of Dortmund to secure their titles. I think you might find if you look at Benitez league record apart from one season where he finished second....the Rafa rant season....Benitez struggled to make any sort of impact in any of the league campaigns we never challenged in four out of the five seasons he was there. His last season he was a disgrace where a team with Reina, Carragher, Gerrard, Mascherano and Torres could only finish seventh. I don't care what anybody says about German footy...there are only two big Clubs in it which is Bayern and Dortmund so for Dortmund to win Leagues ahead of Bayern is no biggie in my book, Bayern sorted Dortmund out in the Champions League final so Klopp couldn't of been that good could he and his last season at Dortmund they fought relegation most of the season then put a bit of a spurt on to finish about sixth...
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They are both managers who punched above their weight, winning leagues against bigger teams, these weren't one off successes, that's what the Liverpool owners have been trying to replicate, as we are against several teams with more resources than us.
yes but they were not sustained success were they, these were two managers that had three good seasons at there clubs and were brought to us on the back of those three seasons. I am thinking when we bring in our next manager maybe bring someone in who has had success at a couple of different clubs or maybe had success in more than one country. I think both Benitez and Klopp both struggled with the English game, Benitez especialy when we got knocked out the Cup by Burnley with a Traore own goal and also prioritising Champions League over Premier League teams at the time, now we have Klopp dismissing domestic cups we have a chance of winning in favour of a top four place... Yeah, Rafa struggled in Liverpool by winning a CL trophy and the FA cup and made liverpool one of the best team in Europe. Rafa did make an error by letting Alonso go but the club didnt give him time to rebuild the team and recover from his mistakes. Instead, the club hired Roy, who had experiences and achieved success in several countries (like you want). And Roy become one of Liverpool's most successful manager by signing poulsen and koncehsky and made us to a mid-table team. P.S. Klopp took up the job of Dortmund when they were in 13th and in serious financial troubles. He then made it to a team that could win the bundesliga twice. Also, he made bundesliga the one horse league to a two horses league by successfully making Dortmund as a contenders for the title for a few seasons (not only two). And BM can only keep tapping up the key players of Dortmund to secure their titles. I think you might find if you look at Benitez league record apart from one season where he finished second....the Rafa rant season....Benitez struggled to make any sort of impact in any of the league campaigns we never challenged in four out of the five seasons he was there. His last season he was a disgrace where a team with Reina, Carragher, Gerrard, Mascherano and Torres could only finish seventh. I don't care what anybody says about German footy...there are only two big Clubs in it which is Bayern and Dortmund so for Dortmund to win Leagues ahead of Bayern is no biggie in my book, Bayern sorted Dortmund out in the Champions League final so Klopp couldn't of been that good could he and his last season at Dortmund they fought relegation most of the season then put a bit of a spurt on to finish about sixth... Firstly, there are only one big club in bundesliga and it is BM. Dortmund was ranked 13th before Klopp joined. Winning ahead for BM twice is a good achievement. To say winning two title ahead of BM is not a big achievement is a joke. And can you tell me starting from when we disregard the good records of Manager and only counted the bad records of managers? How come you count the one or two bad season but you dont count the good seasons? Loser Mourinho did really bad in Chelsea, means he is a shyte manager? In your logic, no managers would come good. Except for the season come second, Rafa did bad in the league. Except for the two seasons won the bundesliga, Klopp cant win any league titles. Except for etc... Did you remember how BM sort out Dortmund in the final? They tapped Gotze and announced his transfer before the final!! That may not be the only reason for the loss but definitely a major reason! Rafa didnt struggled in EPL, his league records improved gradually and finally he came to second. As I mentioned, his only mistake is letting Xabi go. Yanks didnt give him sufficient funds to find a replacement. The only replacement Aquillani always got injured. He should be given another season but someone like you want someone like Roy Hodgson to coach instead of him. May be because Roy Hodgson speaks better English, I think. That's the turning point of Liverpool and we started to really struggled in the league after Rafa was sacked. Rafa managed to keep the team playing okay in the league (qualified for CL except for the last season) and we also won Trophy. Yeah, you like Trophy, dont you? I dont see he is struggling in England. Both of Klopp and Rafa are very good managers. They have great achievements before they came. They have good records to prove that they can build a competitive squad and win the title ahead of the giants. May be you still think Roy is better as he speaks better English and have experiences in various league and he will play a strong side in league cup too. Roy seems to be a dream manager for you.
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Liverpool brought Klopp in because he was I would call a flavour of the month manager, he had two seasons at Dortmund where they were very good and then started to get found out, think they finished about sixth in his last season. I think we brought in Benitez same reasons too, he won two Leagues and Europa in a short space of about 3 seasons. Both these managers had no experience in managing clubs to success away from there homelands so maybe when Klopp does go we maybe bring someone in who has had success with different clubs and set ups...just a thought... They are both managers who punched above their weight, winning leagues against bigger teams, these weren't one off successes, that's what the Liverpool owners have been trying to replicate, as we are against several teams with more resources than us. yes but they were not sustained success were they, these were two managers that had three good seasons at there clubs and were brought to us on the back of those three seasons. I am thinking when we bring in our next manager maybe bring someone in who has had success at a couple of different clubs or maybe had success in more than one country. I think both Benitez and Klopp both struggled with the English game, Benitez especialy when we got knocked out the Cup by Burnley with a Traore own goal and also prioritising Champions League over Premier League teams at the time, now we have Klopp dismissing domestic cups we have a chance of winning in favour of a top four place... I'd take 3 seasons where we win 2 leagues like Klopp & Rafa did, management now is short term, not many managers will get 5+ years anymore, they had success then get picked up by bigger clubs. Rafa has also won trophies at other clubs, likes us, Napoli, Inter & Chelsea, so he is proven, so he has had sustained success at different clubs/leagues, the problem with Rafa is he gets too involved in the politics of clubs, so he doesn't stay long, I expect similar at Newcastle !!!
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Liverpool brought Klopp in because he was I would call a flavour of the month manager, he had two seasons at Dortmund where they were very good and then started to get found out, think they finished about sixth in his last season. I think we brought in Benitez same reasons too, he won two Leagues and Europa in a short space of about 3 seasons. Both these managers had no experience in managing clubs to success away from there homelands so maybe when Klopp does go we maybe bring someone in who has had success with different clubs and set ups...just a thought... They are both managers who punched above their weight, winning leagues against bigger teams, these weren't one off successes, that's what the Liverpool owners have been trying to replicate, as we are against several teams with more resources than us. yes but they were not sustained success were they, these were two managers that had three good seasons at there clubs and were brought to us on the back of those three seasons. I am thinking when we bring in our next manager maybe bring someone in who has had success at a couple of different clubs or maybe had success in more than one country. I think both Benitez and Klopp both struggled with the English game, Benitez especialy when we got knocked out the Cup by Burnley with a Traore own goal and also prioritising Champions League over Premier League teams at the time, now we have Klopp dismissing domestic cups we have a chance of winning in favour of a top four place... I'd take 3 seasons where we win 2 leagues like Klopp & Rafa did, management now is short term, not many managers will get 5+ years anymore, they had success then get picked up by bigger clubs. Rafa has also won trophies at other clubs, likes us, Napoli, Inter & Chelsea, so he is proven, so he has had sustained success at different clubs/leagues, the problem with Rafa is he gets too involved in the politics of clubs, so he doesn't stay long, I expect similar at Newcastle !!! well. I agree with your opinion about Benitez getting too involved with the politics side of a club...the man is highly toxic...it's funny that there are people around saying he should come here next season when Klopp is shown the door...no chance...
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[quote=ecnirp98][quote=giorgiomoroder]Liverpool brought Klopp in because he was I would call a flavour of the month manager, he had two seasons at Dortmund where they were very good and then started to get found out, think they finished about sixth in his last season. I think we brought in Benitez same reasons too, he won two Leagues and Europa in a short space of about 3 seasons. Both these managers had no experience in managing clubs to success away from there homelands so maybe when Klopp does go we maybe bring someone in who has had success with different clubs and set ups...just a thought...
I'd take 3 seasons where we win 2 leagues like Klopp & Rafa did, management now is short term, not many managers will get 5+ years anymore, they had success then get picked up by bigger clubs. Rafa has also won trophies at other clubs, likes us, Napoli, Inter & Chelsea, so he is proven, so he has had sustained success at different clubs/leagues, the problem with Rafa is he gets too involved in the politics of clubs, so he doesn't stay long, I expect similar at Newcastle !!! well. I agree with your opinion about Benitez getting too involved with the politics side of a club...the man is highly toxic...it's funny that there are people around saying he should come here next season when Klopp is shown the door...no chance... As a manager and getting the best out of a squad, fitting the tactics to a team he is excellent, but I don't think we should go back. It's a shame he went when he did though, the last 2 years he was fighting fires and selling his best players under H&G, would have been interesting to see how he did under FSG. He could certainly spot a player, if he was given the money to bring them in we would have been much better, too often he had to go for cheaper alternatives, which didn't work out.
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[quote=ecnirp98][quote=giorgiomoroder]Liverpool brought Klopp in because he was I would call a flavour of the month manager, he had two seasons at Dortmund where they were very good and then started to get found out, think they finished about sixth in his last season. I think we brought in Benitez same reasons too, he won two Leagues and Europa in a short space of about 3 seasons. Both these managers had no experience in managing clubs to success away from there homelands so maybe when Klopp does go we maybe bring someone in who has had success with different clubs and set ups...just a thought...
I'd take 3 seasons where we win 2 leagues like Klopp & Rafa did, management now is short term, not many managers will get 5+ years anymore, they had success then get picked up by bigger clubs. Rafa has also won trophies at other clubs, likes us, Napoli, Inter & Chelsea, so he is proven, so he has had sustained success at different clubs/leagues, the problem with Rafa is he gets too involved in the politics of clubs, so he doesn't stay long, I expect similar at Newcastle !!! well. I agree with your opinion about Benitez getting too involved with the politics side of a club...the man is highly toxic...it's funny that there are people around saying he should come here next season when Klopp is shown the door...no chance... As a manager and getting the best out of a squad, fitting the tactics to a team he is excellent, but I don't think we should go back. It's a shame he went when he did though, the last 2 years he was fighting fires and selling his best players under H&G, would have been interesting to see how he did under FSG. He could certainly spot a player, if he was given the money to bring them in we would have been much better, too often he had to go for cheaper alternatives, which didn't work out. these cheaper alternatives he broke the Club record for Torres, Mascherano, Reina, Glen Johnson not to mention big money for Aquillani I don't think any manager gets his top targets all the time but Benitez was given serious funds and should of done better especially League wise...
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And everyone of those big money signing delivered apart from Aquilani. Towards the end he was being forced to bring in all kinds of dross due to the limited funds that were available to him. I'm not surprised he was pi$$ed off with the owners and whilst it was was disruptive i'm glad he gave the owners $hit.
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And everyone of those big money signing delivered apart from Aquilani. Towards the end he was being forced to bring in all kinds of dross due to the limited funds that were available to him. I'm not surprised he was pi$$ed off with the owners and whilst it was was disruptive i'm glad he gave the owners $hit. yes and that's why he's become a toxic manager that serious owners wouldn't touch with a barge pole...it's alrite saying he gives owners trouble but that lowers his stock...can you imagine FSG putting up with his antics everytime Benitez spits his dummy...
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And everyone of those big money signing delivered apart from Aquilani. Towards the end he was being forced to bring in all kinds of dross due to the limited funds that were available to him. I'm not surprised he was pi$$ed off with the owners and whilst it was was disruptive i'm glad he gave the owners $hit. yes and that's why he's become a toxic manager that serious owners wouldn't touch with a barge pole...it's alrite saying he gives owners trouble but that lowers his stock...can you imagine FSG putting up with his antics everytime Benitez spits his dummy... Plenty of serious owners employed him after he left Liverpool.
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