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No I am not new to modern football and rotating goalkeepers and central defenders is not new to modern football but to Klopp, especially when you have no depth of central defenders. As you said yourself, the only partnership that seemed to be working at the end of the season is being changed by using a stop gap bought to replace Kolo who was close to retirement and a young kid who never played regularly in that position. If he wanted to rotate he should have bought 2 or at least 1 CB at least of the level of Matip. What he is doing with the defence is not modern football but mad football. I didn't know that goalkeepers need to be rotated so early in the season, who does that Real Madrid, Juve, Bayern, you tell me?
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No I am not new to modern football and rotating goalkeepers and central defenders is not new to modern football but to Klopp, especially when you have no depth of central defenders. As you said yourself, the only partnership that seemed to be working at the end of the season is being changed by using a stop gap bought to replace Kolo who was close to retirement and a young kid who never played regularly in that position. If he wanted to rotate he should have bought 2 or at least 1 CB at least of the level of Matip. What he is doing with the defence is not modern football but mad football. I didn't know that goalkeepers need to be rotated so early in the season, who does that Real Madrid, Juve, Bayern, you tell me? The rotation of GK probably is a deal with Karius and Ward to keep them patient here. I dont think any of our goals conceded are the fault of GK. Both of them did well when they got their chances. (FYI, Scum did rotate the GK and a few other teams also used different GK in different competition. Say, BM normally would give chances to the 2nd choice GK in German cup) For the CB, I agree normally there are no urgent needs to rotate. The rotation looks fine on Crystal Palace game but it costed us the game when versus Citeh. However, you also mentioned full backs in your earlier post. What my response for rotation mainly to the full backs. You needs to rotate full back if you play twice a week as they are the one who always run a lot.
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Mate, are you new to the modern football world? We are playing in CL this year. Playing twice a week or 3 games in 7 days. Rotation is a must for us.
No successful football club regularly changes its goalkeeper and central defenders as much as we do. A top side will have a goalkeeper and two central defenders, maybe 3 depending on formation who play every game. Look at Chelsea last season, when Conte switched to a back 3, Courtois, Cahill, Luiz and Azpilicueta played pretty much every game; as did Alonso and Moses in the wing back positions. If you look at all of our rivals, we know what their best back 4 or 5 is, you know whose going to be selected in crucial league games, with Liverpool nobody knows, that's a huge part of the problem and it's down to the manager. Pick a goalkeeper, decide on your best back 4 and stick with them, rotate the odd full back but the core players in your team must stay the same! Man Utd - De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Jones, Darmian/Blind Man City - Ederson, Mendy, Otamendi, Kompany, Walker (Stones and Danilo when they change formation or have injuries) Chelsea - Courtois, Alonso, Cahill, Luiz, Azpilicueta, Moses (Rudiger has just signed) Spurs - Lloris, Davies (Rose when fit) Vertonghen, Alderweired, Trippier, (Sanchez has just signed) Arsenal - Cech, Monreal, Koscielny, Mustafi, Bellerin, Liverpool - Mignolet/Karius, TAA/Gomez/Clyne (When fit) Matip/Lovren/Klavan, Moreno/Robertson With every top 6 rival, you can say with supreme confidence who will play in goal and defence when everyone is fit and available, with Liverpool you cannot because it's different every week. We aren't talking about 1 player different either, it's usually everyone bar Matip!
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Mate, are you new to the modern football world? We are playing in CL this year. Playing twice a week or 3 games in 7 days. Rotation is a must for us.
No successful football club regularly changes its goalkeeper and central defenders as much as we do. A top side will have a goalkeeper and two central defenders, maybe 3 depending on formation who play every game. Look at Chelsea last season, when Conte switched to a back 3, Courtois, Cahill, Luiz and Azpilicueta played pretty much every game; as did Alonso and Moses in the wing back positions. If you look at all of our rivals, we know what their best back 4 or 5 is, you know whose going to be selected in crucial league games, with Liverpool nobody knows, that's a huge part of the problem and it's down to the manager. Pick a goalkeeper, decide on your best back 4 and stick with them, rotate the odd full back but the core players in your team must stay the same! Man Utd - De Gea, Valencia, Bailly, Jones, Darmian/Blind Man City - Ederson, Mendy, Otamendi, Kompany, Walker (Stones and Danilo when they change formation or have injuries) Chelsea - Courtois, Alonso, Cahill, Luiz, Azpilicueta, Moses (Rudiger has just signed) Spurs - Lloris, Davies (Rose when fit) Vertonghen, Alderweired, Trippier, (Sanchez has just signed) Arsenal - Cech, Monreal, Koscielny, Mustafi, Bellerin, Liverpool - Mignolet/Karius, TAA/Gomez/Clyne (When fit) Matip/Lovren/Klavan, Moreno/Robertson With every top 6 rival, you can say with supreme confidence who will play in goal and defence when everyone is fit and available, with Liverpool you cannot because it's different every week. We aren't talking about 1 player different either, it's usually everyone bar Matip! Agree with this, rotation is only feasible if you are replacing like with like quality wise. We do not have strength in depth and we should be playing our strongest starting 11 more often than any of our rivals.
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We are rotating like for like Shaggy. Unfortunately it's shitte for shitte though!
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We are rotating like for like Shaggy. Unfortunately it's shitte for shitte though! Aye, right enough, we are particularly threadbare in the CB positions.
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We are rotating like for like Shaggy. Unfortunately it's shitte for shitte though! Aye, right enough, we are particularly threadbare in the CB positions. Did we not buy one in the summer?
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We are rotating like for like Shaggy. Unfortunately it's shitte for shitte though! Aye, right enough, we are particularly threadbare in the CB positions. Did we not buy one in the summer? It's official it should have been sorted 
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No I am not new to modern football and rotating goalkeepers and central defenders is not new to modern football but to Klopp, especially when you have no depth of central defenders. As you said yourself, the only partnership that seemed to be working at the end of the season is being changed by using a stop gap bought to replace Kolo who was close to retirement and a young kid who never played regularly in that position. If he wanted to rotate he should have bought 2 or at least 1 CB at least of the level of Matip. What he is doing with the defence is not modern football but mad football. I didn't know that goalkeepers need to be rotated so early in the season, who does that Real Madrid, Juve, Bayern, you tell me? The rotation of GK probably is a deal with Karius and Ward to keep them patient here. I dont think any of our goals conceded are the fault of GK. Both of them did well when they got their chances. (FYI, Scum did rotate the GK and a few other teams also used different GK in different competition. Say, BM normally would give chances to the 2nd choice GK in German cup) For the CB, I agree normally there are no urgent needs to rotate. The rotation looks fine on Crystal Palace game but it costed us the game when versus Citeh. However, you also mentioned full backs in your earlier post. What my response for rotation mainly to the full backs. You needs to rotate full back if you play twice a week as they are the one who always run a lot. Ward should have been loaned out and this Karius/Mignolet situation is a bit of a joke though I understand that Karius was promised number 1 spot but delivered poorly last season. Looks like we agree at least on the CB position.
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All major pl teams went through then in efl ? Huh hum except us ? To be fair, they all had lower league opponents apart from us and City who only won 1-2.
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