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Originally Posted By Liverotto
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We were playing Milner as a lb last season, that's how defensively poor Mo was. Mo had one or two good pre-season games and that is why he was selected. He is still poor defensively despite his attacking abilities.

If he wanted to wait till January then it was a poor decision by him. Matip is injury prone, Klavan is shaky and Lovern is a hit or miss. Why was it so difficult to get quality in the summer.




This was our last 7 games in EPL last season.


Stoke City 1 - 2
West Brom 0 - 1
Crystal Palace 1 - 2
Watford 0 - 1
Southampton 0 - 0
West Ham United 0 - 4
Middlesbrough 3 - 0

We conceded two goals in seven games. I think it is a good sign that our defence was getting better and that may be why Klopp believe he can wait til Jan for VVD.


But overall we conceded far too many goals in that season, and that's why we were on a wild goose chase with Van Dijk, instead of lookin for alternatives.

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Originally Posted By Liverotto
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We were playing Milner as a lb last season, that's how defensively poor Mo was. Mo had one or two good pre-season games and that is why he was selected. He is still poor defensively despite his attacking abilities.

If he wanted to wait till January then it was a poor decision by him. Matip is injury prone, Klavan is shaky and Lovern is a hit or miss. Why was it so difficult to get quality in the summer.




This was our last 7 games in EPL last season.


Stoke City 1 - 2
West Brom 0 - 1
Crystal Palace 1 - 2
Watford 0 - 1
Southampton 0 - 0
West Ham United 0 - 4
Middlesbrough 3 - 0

We conceded two goals in seven games. I think it is a good sign that our defence was getting better and that may be why Klopp believe he can wait til Jan for VVD.


So why have we conceded 14 in 8 games this season then?

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Liverotto
Originally Posted By klopp4kop
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We were playing Milner as a lb last season, that's how defensively poor Mo was. Mo had one or two good pre-season games and that is why he was selected. He is still poor defensively despite his attacking abilities.

If he wanted to wait till January then it was a poor decision by him. Matip is injury prone, Klavan is shaky and Lovern is a hit or miss. Why was it so difficult to get quality in the summer.




This was our last 7 games in EPL last season.


Stoke City 1 - 2
West Brom 0 - 1
Crystal Palace 1 - 2
Watford 0 - 1
Southampton 0 - 0
West Ham United 0 - 4
Middlesbrough 3 - 0

We conceded two goals in seven games. I think it is a good sign that our defence was getting better and that may be why Klopp believe he can wait til Jan for VVD.


So why have we conceded 14 in 8 games this season then?


A few possible reasons:-

1/ The unexpected lengthly injured of Clyne.
He was very good defensively and with Arnold and Gomes under-performed this season, we miss him a lot. Our RB looks vulnerable this season and a lot of goals conceded were actually come from an error from our RB. Our CB needs to help the RB consistenly in many ocassions.
(As I remember, two of the goals conceded are errors by CB as individual, first one is Klavan being caught out of position by Aguero for Citeh opener. The second one was Lovern fault for the opener of Sevilla)

2/ Hendo is not fit
Hendo/Can did pretty well last season in stopping/ slow down the opponents counter-attack. However, Hendo is not fit this year and he get dribbled past in a few occassions.

3/ Lack of concentration
In most of the games, we are very dominant this year. However, we failed to convert chances into goals. To be an attacking team, if you cant convert chances you always have a high risk to be caught in counter attack.
In a few games, our defenders lost some concentration when the opponent seems being bullied by us and couldnt even organise a counter. (say, the second goal we conceded against Sevilla. We missed a lot of oppurtunities and it seems Sevilla even felt it is impossible to pass the ball to our half. However, a quick throw in and our defenders lost focus and then we are punished.)

4/ red card
4 of the goals were scored when we actually gave up a game during Citeh. (I was angry about that game tbh.)

5/ confidence level
Our defenders have some confidence issues and they need to have a few good games to gain back their confidence to become their old self. (like Arnold, Klavan(he is not top class but he was not that bad)

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TAA should not be blamed for goals conceded except a couple we did with 10 men against City.

Didn't know Henderson is unfit, who said that?

Klavan was and is still very poor, he was supposed to come in for injuries when Kolo left not to rotate within our best team. This is why we should have added a CB to compete with Lovren and Matip and don't tell me you cannot find better in the WORLD unless you are lazy.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
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No, you should stop making threads that you claim to be official when it is only your opinion.

The short answer to the question that I asked you is that Klopp didn't say he was clueless.

I hope this helps.


It's not my opinion but his, though he used other words. Do you know what reading between the lines is?


No, it's your opinion and nothing else. You can wriggle all you like, it will still only be your opinion.



You got to admit though, Klopp does appear to be very clueless in how to get us defending whether he's officially clueless or not.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
No, you should stop making threads that you claim to be official when it is only your opinion.

The short answer to the question that I asked you is that Klopp didn't say he was clueless.

I hope this helps.


It's not my opinion but his, though he used other words. Do you know what reading between the lines is?


No, it's your opinion and nothing else. You can wriggle all you like, it will still only be your opinion.



You got to admit though, Klopp does appear to be very clueless in how to get us defending whether he's officially clueless or not.


Nope, I want it straight from the horses mouth wink

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I think Klopp is showing his frustration at the defending, he must be instructing the players to defend in another way for that reaction?

Klopp must carry the responsibility for allot of this, in 4 transfer Windows since he came, he has spent £12 Million on defends:

Robertson - £8 Million
Klavan - £4 Million
Matip - Free
Caulker - Free

How much has klopp spent on attacking Midfielders? the priorities have not been correct for a long time at Liverpool, you do the basics and build on them, we are building an intricate heavy metal tactital pressing game on dodgy foundations.

Strengthening the defence is a combination of bringing in players with the right qualities and coaching them.

Klopp has failed to bring the necessary quality in, there are allot of players in the world who we could have bought and improved our defence if VvD was not available, they may not have been the all round silky defender like VvD, but at least they would be able to mark a player and head a corner away.....
Worse case we get an out and out uncultured defender like Kean now and then add VvD in a year when he's available, our defense is stronger then anyway.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog


Nope, I want it straight from the horses mouth wink


Who gives a Shyte what you want?

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I'm officially bored with this thread.


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Originally Posted By TiredReds
TAA should not be blamed for goals conceded except a couple we did with 10 men against City.

Didn't know Henderson is unfit, who said that?

Klavan was and is still very poor, he was supposed to come in for injuries when Kolo left not to rotate within our best team. This is why we should have added a CB to compete with Lovren and Matip and don't tell me you cannot find better in the WORLD unless you are lazy.


i thought Klavan did ok yest and both goals conceded due to Gomez.atleast the first one?


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