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[quote=Stanley Park]None of us support murder of inncocent civilians or even uninnocent ones but shaggy you are coming very close to saying he had just cause the fact you have taken note of his Facebook post who cares what he posts on Facebook ? Any refugee or asylum seeker who tries to commit mass murder in this country should be sent packing.

Stan I have experienced violence at first hand over here and I have seen the devastation it leaves behind. Trust me, no cause is worth a single innocent human life.

You have long argued that what happens in Muslim countries has no bearing on the terrorist outrages taking place here. This guys Facebook message would suggest otherwise.

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[quote=Stanley Park]None of us support murder of inncocent civilians or even uninnocent ones but shaggy you are coming very close to saying he had just cause the fact you have taken note of his Facebook post who cares what he posts on Facebook ? Any refugee or asylum seeker who tries to commit mass murder in this country should be sent packing.

Stan I have experienced violence at first hand over here and I have seen the devastation it leaves behind. Trust me, no cause is worth a single innocent human life.

You have long argued that what happens in Muslim countries has no bearing on the terrorist outrages taking place here. This guys Facebook message would suggest otherwise.



i also have experience first hand of the IRA the killimgs did not just happen in Ireland I wondered when you would play that card. For the record I was also very close to being in the London bombings a few years back only a chance change of meeting. The Muslim violence is complex I don't think anyone knows the full picture and it's global the same pattern occurs everywhere. Yes there are some ISIS followers loose in the west and yes they plan on killing people especially now they have been driven out of Syria and iraq. I presume you think it was a mistake to support the Iraq and Syrian governments and we would be better off now with ISIS ruling those countries and moving on to the next one ? I also have not noiticed many Muslim citcizens now freed from the rule of ISIS beggimg to go back under their brutal rule


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[quote=Stanley Park]None of us support murder of inncocent civilians or even uninnocent ones but shaggy you are coming very close to saying he had just cause the fact you have taken note of his Facebook post who cares what he posts on Facebook ? Any refugee or asylum seeker who tries to commit mass murder in this country should be sent packing.

Stan I have experienced violence at first hand over here and I have seen the devastation it leaves behind. Trust me, no cause is worth a single innocent human life.

You have long argued that what happens in Muslim countries has no bearing on the terrorist outrages taking place here. This guys Facebook message would suggest otherwise.



i also have experience first hand of the IRA the killimgs did not just happen in Ireland I wondered when you would play that card. For the record I was also very close to being in the London bombings a few years back only a chance change of meeting. The Muslim violence is complex I don't think anyone knows the full picture and it's global the same pattern occurs everywhere. Yes there are some ISIS followers loose in the west and yes they plan on killing people especially now they have been driven out of Syria and iraq. I presume you think it was a mistake to support the Iraq and Syrian governments and we would be better off now with ISIS ruling those countries and moving on to the next one ? I also have not noiticed many Muslim citcizens now freed from the rule of ISIS beggimg to go back under their brutal rule


In respect to myself I am not going to grace that with a reply. Shocking human being.

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Lovely response but no answer I see


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Shaggy I could understand your argument if Islamic terrorists were flying typhoons over London supplied by Saudi fighting dog fights with the RAF. That's not the case Saudi is a friendly nation to the west and has a right to defend itself


did u say friendly . u clearly havent been in a 1000 miles radius around Saudi ever. I have lived there 6 years and I can tell a bullshitter when i see one


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Shaggy I could understand your argument if Islamic terrorists were flying typhoons over London supplied by Saudi fighting dog fights with the RAF. That's not the case Saudi is a friendly nation to the west and has a right to defend itself


did u say friendly . u clearly havent been in a 1000 miles radius around Saudi ever. I have lived there 6 years and I can tell a bullshitter when i see one


You missed the point yes Saudi is a brutal country it runs to pure Islamic law and could be the fate of other places one day. But it does have good relations with the west the alternative to that is it has bad relations with the west. What I am struggling with is how that will improve the situation sometimes you have to be pragmatic and take the least worst option.


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Shaggy I could understand your argument if Islamic terrorists were flying typhoons over London supplied by Saudi fighting dog fights with the RAF. That's not the case Saudi is a friendly nation to the west and has a right to defend itself


did u say friendly . u clearly havent been in a 1000 miles radius around Saudi ever. I have lived there 6 years and I can tell a bullshitter when i see one


You missed the point yes Saudi is a brutal country it runs to pure Islamic law and could be the fate of other places one day. But it does have good relations with the west the alternative to that is it has bad relations with the west. What I am struggling with is how that will improve the situation sometimes you have to be pragmatic and take the least worst option.


And sometimes you have to take the money and turned a blind eye to what is really going on there.

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And what's your solution ? refuse to sell them European consortium jets cut off diplomatic relations? Make an enemy of Saudi with the millions of Muslims in the west praying to meca ? Yeah that should calm them down no end


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And what's your solution ? refuse to sell them European consortium jets cut off diplomatic relations? Make an enemy of Saudi with the millions of Muslims in the west praying to meca ? Yeah that should calm them down no end


No one is suggesting we make an enemy of them, just that we stop selling them weapons.
Also maybe we could ask them to maybe stop funding the terrorists who are killing civilians on our own streets.

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Shaggy so you are saying once Britain stops selling arms to Saudi then the Islamic terrorism will stop. And most of the arms we sell are the typhoon jet that's not solely British it's a consortium and I am not even sure British aerospace is British anymore the typhoon is made by Britain Italy Spain Germany as I recall. I find it highly unlikely if we stopped those sales and allowed the Americans Russians and Chinese or French to supply it would stop Islamic terrorism but you seem convinced it will. As for the human rights (or lack of in Saudi and other Muslim countries) well maybe that's a warning it might be us one day in fact there is a very good chance of that coming to pass.


No Stan, what I am saying is that maybe the British government should stop dealing with people who are actively encouraging terrorists to murder British civilians.



If that does happen then the Islamic republic of Iran till take over a big part of the middle East, is that a better prospect?


What do you base that assertion on? The only countries invading in the middle east are western countries and Israel and we all know our interventions there have been complete disasters. It would be a welcome change if we in the west would mind our own business for a change.

Saudi Arabia is currently bombing Yemen with weapons that we have sold them and yet Iran are the bad guys? The Saudi's also backed Saddam in the Iran Iraq war yet that is conveniently forgotten also.

We are involved in the region for one reason and one reason only: OIL.

The fact that we are supporting a government that is funding the very terrorists that are murdering people on our streets is beyond belief.


Iran wants to control Iraq and Bahrain as a minimum if they could. This whole Islamic state started when Sunni Iraqis lost power to the Shias when Saddam's army was dismantled by the Americans. The Sunnis and the Shias have been fighting for centuries well before any western invasion. You should know that

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